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| 905204. Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:06 am |
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We can't currently afford the pension implications of this proposal, so perhaps we should attack the problem from the other end and increase the legal abortion threshold from 28 weeks to 1500 weeks.
[it's no dafter than Ms Kellaway's proposal IMHO]
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| 905206. Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:10 am |
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Another approach would be to bring back capital punishment for (say) phone-hacking, ministerial misconduct and benefit fraud. Then we could consider reducing the taxes on tobacco & alcohol and increasing the taxes on athletics clubs, sportswear, healthfoods & fitness training.
This general trend towards fitness and longer lifespans is part of the cause of both problems (unemployment and pension unaffordability) so we should be looking to address the problem at source.
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| 905404. Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:29 am |
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filofax wrote:
... Many have been shunted into highly paid non-jobs, just to get them out of the way..
OK...
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... They block the promotion lines for younger and better qualified staff, and generally get in the way.
Well, that's working well, then...
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Yes, sorry, badly worded. In the first case 'get out of the way' means, remove them to a position where they can do as little damage as possible.
In the second instance, they get in the way because cash for hiring new staff is finite, and promotions are assigned on a quota basis. |
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| 905406. Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:38 am |
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I can't wait until the point in time when filofox becomes so old and decrepit that some people think that s/he is getting in the way. I'd wager that he would change his tune somewhat by then. In the meantime, I don't know what firm filofax works for but they are very lucky to have someone who knows who is "getting in the way". I can't imagine why filofax isn't juts MD of the whole affair. Just think of the improvements if the whole enterprise were run using such deeps wells of wisdom and business acumen.*
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| 905408. Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:44 am |
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| i think Filofax is female. |
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| 905411. Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:56 am |
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Well, I may indeed change my tune by then, but I don't think so. I have never really understood the compulsion to hang on as long as possible. We are all fairly highly paid, so staying on an extra 5 years to get that little bit extra on our pensions doesn't make sense to me. I personally would prefer to retire earlier on a slightly lower but still very respectable sum.
I am far from being alone in knowing that this is one of the fundamental problems in this organisation. It is well known and understood by pretty much everyone who works here. However, the nature of this organisation is such that it cannot easily change employment terms which were laid down in the mid 70s. Furthermore, any proposed changes would need to be ratified by a whole series of international bodies and panels, most of the members of which have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are. A few rules have been changed recently, moving things in the right direction, but things are very slow in the world of Eurocracy.
May I ask why you are so irritated by my criticizing my own place of work? Are the humble members of the lower echelons not allowed to have an opinion of their hierarchical superiors? If you were to mention you thought your boss were a tosser, I would probably take your word for it, rather than assuming it an arrogance on your part, as you seem to have done with me. |
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| 905451. Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:48 am |
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| filofax wrote: | | I personally would prefer to retire earlier on a slightly lower but still very respectable sum. |
Which is fine if you can achieve that. Most people can't. |
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| 905455. Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:50 am |
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Which I why I have limited myself to talking solely about myself and my own workplace.
In my original post on this subject, I believe I started with "if this survey were based on my workplace' and finished with 'I don't suppose it's like this anywhere else'
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| 905459. Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:54 am |
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So your proposal is that there should be a legal requirement to sack anyone if there is someone younger that them in the company who believes they could do that job.
I would put up the counterproposal that it should be legally mandatory to conduct weekly horsewhippings of any arrogant young idiots who haven't a clue what the full extent of their superiors' jobs are but who take it upon themselves to sound off on the subject on internet forums to disguise theior own inadequacies...
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| 905465. Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:19 am |
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Sorry PDR - are you talking to me? I don't recall making any proposal whatsoever. I remember making a comment confined to my own place of work in which I, perhaps flippantly, stated that I would support the proposal in my own workplace, which has a certain number of drawbacks, but that I didn't think it was at all a good idea in the 'real' world.
I certainly don't think that anyone who does their job well should be sacked in favour of anyone else, young or old. I believe that anyone who does not do his or job well should not be carried as deadweight by the rest of the staff, especially if the continued situation impedes recruiting new, talented people.
I will assume that your second paragraph is not addressed at me, but is a general comment, as you know neither how old I am, how long I have been working here, or what level I have reached in the organisation.
Goodness me - does nobody else ever complain about their job on occasion? |
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| 905466. Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:19 am |
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| filofax wrote: | | If you were to mention you thought your boss were a tosser, I would probably take your word for it, rather than assuming it an arrogance on your part, as you seem to have done with me. |
My boss is kind, intelligent, generous, handsome, and endowed with almost infinite wisdom and business acumen. Ah, the joys of being self employed.
Having worked for a number of other organisations I have found that, more often than not, the people who appear to do the least work are the ones that actually do the most because they know what they are doing and don't spend most of the time running around saying "look at me, I'm working really hard". |
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| 905472. Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:40 am |
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No argument from me on point two.
Not knowing you, I wouldn't dare comment on point one, so I'll take your word for it. |
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