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Zebra57
904831.  Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:36 pm Reply with quote

The Falkland Islands Dispute has entered a new chapter as Vince Cable announced a ban on exports from the UK to the Argentine Military.

 
CB27
906518.  Thu May 03, 2012 9:41 pm Reply with quote

Early on this thread I mentioned I thought there was an element of crassness about how the Falklands are being used by the Argentinian Government at the moment, but I've kept out of the discussion since then, but the advert filmed in the islands for their Olympics team doesn't exactly change my view:

http://youtu.be/jLIUGfYgahs

I can't help thinking there's an added insult to the Olympics spirit here in that they've used it to make a political statement. Brings back memories of the 1936 Olympics, as well as the fiascos of 1980 and 1984.

 
Zebra57
908719.  Fri May 11, 2012 7:25 pm Reply with quote

In a recent interview an Argentine athlete expressed surprise when told that representatives of his country are likely to receive a hostile welcome from the British public at Olympic venues.

QI is the Vaca Muerta area of Patagonia where the now nationalised Spanish interests located oil. Vaca Muerta trenslates into "Dead Cow".

 
CB27
908743.  Fri May 11, 2012 10:28 pm Reply with quote

Imagine if they're a Welsh Argentinian, they'll really be confused :)

 
djgordy
908758.  Sat May 12, 2012 3:48 am Reply with quote

CB27 wrote:

I can't help thinking there's an added insult to the Olympics spirit here in that they've used it to make a political statement. Brings back memories of the 1936 Olympics, as well as the fiascos of 1980 and 1984.


If the Olympics aren't there to make political statements, why do do they fly flags, play national anthems and have medal tables based on the number won by each country?

 
PDR
908760.  Sat May 12, 2012 3:58 am Reply with quote

djgordy wrote:

If the Olympics aren't there to make political statements, why do do they fly flags, play national anthems and have medal tables based on the number won by each country?


Because national identity /= a political statement.

PDR

 
CB27
908902.  Sat May 12, 2012 12:19 pm Reply with quote

Representing your nation isn't the same as making a political statement.

 
djgordy
908919.  Sat May 12, 2012 2:03 pm Reply with quote

Yes it is. Nation states are political entities so if you claim that if you "represent" a country then you are making a poliical statement.

 
PDR
908944.  Sat May 12, 2012 6:11 pm Reply with quote

Rubbish!

Your point might have merit if a change of government disqualified the team, but it doesn't so it doesn't.

PDR

 
djgordy
908962.  Sun May 13, 2012 3:43 am Reply with quote

A change in the executive does not mean that a nation state isn't a political entity.

 
PDR
908987.  Sun May 13, 2012 6:27 am Reply with quote

I can see what you're getting at, but I just can't agree with it. It would mean that Man United was a Manchester seperatist movement, and the Farnham Youth Jazz Orchestra was inherently a "Home Rule for Farnham" movement.

Nice troll, but no significant relationship to reality so I can only award it a grade of 46 monkey-weeks.

PDR

 
djgordy
909042.  Sun May 13, 2012 9:14 am Reply with quote

Manchester United doesn't represent Manchester and the Farnham Youth Orchestra don't represent Farnham, or youths. I doubt if they represent Jazz in any meabningful way either. They don't sing Manchester anthems or wave Farnham flags.

 
Neotenic
909051.  Sun May 13, 2012 9:41 am Reply with quote

I would have thought that representing your country at the Olympics has rather more to do with genetics than politics.

 
CB27
909063.  Sun May 13, 2012 10:28 am Reply with quote

I thought it was more to do with pride.

I'd like to know if any sports people have refused to represent the UK because Labour or Conservatives were in power, and similarly in other countries because of a change of regime.

Even when people defect to escape a repressive regime, as we've seen in the past, pride in your home country doesn't wane.

 
djgordy
909866.  Thu May 17, 2012 3:24 am Reply with quote

There was an interview with John Carlos on R4 this morning. Mr. Carlos was one of the American athletes who gave the black power salute at the 1968 Olympics in Mexico. When asked about the charge of of bringing politics into sport he said exactly the same thing that I said above. If they don't want to bring politics into sport, why do they fly national flags and play national anthems? If the Olympics was about sport they woud play the Olympic anthem and fly the Olympic flag at medal ceremonies.

 

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