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AlmondFacialBar
891311.  Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:25 am Reply with quote

So George Orwell thought humans shouldn't be the lords of all animals because they taken without giving? I guess that would have tallied with is general political beliefs, but still, it was Old Major the boar who actually said it. Purely judging from that we don't actually know what Orwell did or didn't think. It's the good old Iago fallacy from Ulysses, and really I thought we were all a little above confusing an author with his creations here at QI. Or aren't we? Just something that struck me as somewhat weird...

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
mckeonj
891320.  Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:00 am Reply with quote

Not the only misunderstanding of Orwell: he was a Socialist, and joined the International Brigade in Spain. Many people think that '1984' is a warning not to let the fascists/communists take over - it is not. It is a warning not to let the managers take over.
The best quote from Orwell is what he wrote as the words of Goldstein in 'The Book'.

 
AlmondFacialBar
891322.  Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:05 am Reply with quote

Do people really still think that? I've always read his works as anti-Stalinist rather than anti-Socialist.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
mckeonj
891340.  Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:28 am Reply with quote

I suggest that you read the available text of Emmanuel Goldstein's 'The Theory and Practice of Collective Oligarchism' here:
http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/go-goldstein.html
Also remember that Orwell's Socialist ideals were somewhat damaged by his experiences in Spain, and the realisation that the Spanish Civil War was a war between two tyrannies, the fascists and the marxists, who were cynically using the people (The Low) to overthrow The High, and replace them with The Middle.
'Animal Farm' should be seen as a satire on the Russian Revolution and it's aftermath, and the principal animals as Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin.

 
Posital
891366.  Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:00 pm Reply with quote

mckeonj wrote:
'Animal Farm' should be seen as a satire on the Russian Revolution and it's aftermath, and the principal animals as Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin.
That's what they taught me at school.

 
sally carr
891463.  Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:44 pm Reply with quote

Would you read it again? I recently re read To Kill a Mocking Bird and it was brilliant. The set book I would never read again is Lord of the Flies- AWFUL!

 
RLDavies
891587.  Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:28 am Reply with quote

Animal Farm is a thinly veiled allegory rather than just satire. It follows the people and events point by point. As the Russian Revolution fades further into history, the book is losing a lot of its bite.

I haven't read Lord of the Flies for a long time, but certainly enjoyed it as a teenager. I went through a period of fascination with bleak, pessimistic dystopias -- 1984, Lord of the Flies, Brave New World, etc.

 
Jenny
891640.  Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:16 am Reply with quote

I liked Lord of the Flies - great satire of Coral Island, and a good read on its own account. Sadly, most people these days won't have heard of or read R.M. Ballantyne's Coral Island, which makes it a bit of a satirical fail in that regard, but it would have been a very popular book for boys in Golding's youth.

 
soup
891653.  Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:50 am Reply with quote

I hadn't read or heard of The Coral Island, weird for a jock huh. I have also never read Lord of the flies, not even at school, have heard of it/about it.

 
sally carr
891654.  Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:51 am Reply with quote

I've read that too, isn't there a gruesome scene where a ship is rolled over the bodies of slaves down to the water?

 
cornixt
891664.  Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:26 am Reply with quote

Wasn't it revealed last year that Animal Farm was actually commissioned by the British government for anti-communism purposes?

 
Posital
891709.  Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:47 pm Reply with quote

cornixt wrote:
Wasn't it revealed last year that Animal Farm was actually commissioned by the British government for anti-communism purposes?
Not as far as I can tell...

 
RLDavies
891867.  Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:13 am Reply with quote

Orwell had a hard time getting Animal Farm into print. The publishers would have a quick glance at it and say "we don't print children's books".

 

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