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872811.  Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:15 am Reply with quote

The most populous Muslim country in the World Indonesia is made up of thousands of islands.

The country has a population estimated at 232 million (UN, 2010) and is spread over an area of 1.9 million sq km. It is a very ethnically diverse country with 300 regional languages. The official language spoken is a standardised form of the Riau dialect of the Malay language.

The capital is Jakarta (formerly Dutch Batavia) which has a population of 9,850,000. The currency is the Indonesian Rupiah.

The effective separation of modern day Malaysia from Indonesia was finalised by the Anglo-Dutch Treaty signed on 23rd March 1824. This divided the British sphere of influence which evolved around Singapore in the west from a Dutch sphere of influence in the east centred on Batavia. This was designed to resolve colonial trading conflicts.

The Dutch swapped their settlement of Malacca on the Malay Peninsula for the British colony of Bencoolen on the island of Sumatra as part of the Treaty.

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987275.  Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:38 am Reply with quote

Zebra57 wrote:
The most populous Muslim country in the World

A lot of people are surprised to learn this fact. Many believe the stereotyped misconception that all East Asians are Zen-practicing, meditating Buddhists. Rather, Indonesia is home to around 207 million Muslims, more than the entire population of the next most populous Muslim country (Pakistan, population 182 million), and 12% of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims.
Despite its prevalence in the Middle East, Islam seems more common in Asia, with Indonesia, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (none of which are within the Arab world or have Arabic as a main language) collectively having over double the Muslim population of the entire Middle East-North Africa region.

987329.  Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:17 am Reply with quote

Long forgotten by many people is the influence of the Mongols over the religions of Asia. Many elite Mongols either employed Muslim advisers, or turned to Islam, it was a natural choice given the trade route to the West and the incredible literature compiled by Muslim writers and scientists at the time. It's a shame that the enlightened nature of Islam at that time is completely opposite to the view of Islam many adherents have today.

987433.  Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:31 pm Reply with quote

Tradition holds that it was traders from Gujarat in India who brought Islam to the East Indies by during the eleventh century.

987439.  Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:17 pm Reply with quote

Oh, I wasn't talking about when Islam was introduced to the region (though I expect it to be much earlier than 11th centrury), what I meant was that the influence of Islam in some areas took hold under the Mongols because the people would follow their leaders.

987473.  Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:12 am Reply with quote

Zebra57 wrote:
Tradition holds that it was traders from Gujarat in India who brought Islam to the East Indies by during the eleventh century.

But Gujarat is traditionally the stronghold of the Parsee, no? Hm... Bit strange, that...



1126809.  Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:58 am Reply with quote

A town which was stoned out of its mind? Apparently this happened to the good people of Palmerah west of the capital Jakarta, when the police decided to burn 3.3 tons of marijuana. They also destroyed 1.8 kilos of crystal meth and over 2,000 ecstasy pills.

1200656.  Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:10 pm Reply with quote

Zebra57 wrote:
The Dutch swapped their settlement of Malacca on the Malay Peninsula for the British colony of Bencoolen on the island of Sumatra as part of the Treaty.

The British got the better end of that deal

1200709.  Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:55 pm Reply with quote

Welcome DamianWarS, and I think you're right!
1393232.  Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:53 pm Reply with quote

Indonesia is the only country to quit the United Nations. The history:

In the 1960s, Indonesia's foreign policy was more leaning towards the Eastern bloc. At that time, Soekarno often made speeches that attacked western imperialism and the UN. In 1963, Indonesia waged a military conflict known as the Malaysia-Indonesia confrontation because Soekarno perceived the Federation of Malaysia as a western colonialism project. In 1964 it was expected that Malaysia would become the non-permanent member of the United Nations Security Council and Soekarno responded to that by threatening that Indonesia would give up its UN membership.

His realization came true as on 7 January 1965. Soekarno announced that Indonesia was withdrawing from the United Nations. The UN Secretary-General, U Thnat, was shocked when he heard the news. He even could not expect that a UN member would withdraw from it. During the first two weeks after the declaration, many countries, even the Soviet Union, persuaded Soekarno to rethink his decision and the UN still treated Indonesia like other members. Only China supported Soekarno's decision. However, he still stuck to his stand.

Finally, on 22 January 1965, Soebandrio, Indonesia's foreign minister, sent two letters to the UN which stated that Indonesia had officially withdrawn from the UN and on the same date the Indonesian flag was lowered in the UN headquarters. U Thant accepted Soekarno's decision even though he regretted it and hoped that Indonesia would rejoin. Consequently, $50 million aid from UN bodies such as UNESCO and WHO was halted, and his response was this:

“We can afford to operate without the United Nations specialized agencies,” he said. “It is good for our nation to stand on our own feet. I have said: Go to hell with your aid!”

After 18 months of Indonesian withdrawal, Indonesia requested its desire to rejoin the UN. Ultimately, it was accepted by the UN on 28 September 1966, and Indonesia became a UN member again.

1393348.  Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:15 am Reply with quote

According to some sources, AP at the time specifically reported on 22 January 1965 that the Indonesian flag was still raised at the UN and their nameplate was still in the General Assembly Hall.

There was no real method for any members to withdraw from the UN, so the letters received were noted, but when they "applied" to enter the UN again, there was no formal application, it was simply put as a vote to the floor to admit them to the chamber, with the only dissent coming from a US youth group. So technically it can be claimed they never really withdrew.

There is a reason why this technicality is important because the only country to support Indonesia's request to withdraw from the UN was from The People's Republic of China, but their support was a very blatant attempt at creating a precedent at expelling the Republic of China (Taiwan) from the UN. This paved the way to the 1971 resolution that removed Taiwan from the UN and replaced them with China. Saudi Arabia tried to introduce amendments to allow Taiwan either as separate place in the UN or as observer (which had it's own political reasons), but this was rejected.

So in a sense, Indonesia's attempt to withdraw from the UN did succeed - in pushing Taiwan out of the UN.


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