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Frederick The Monk
38731.  Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:50 am Reply with quote

Galen was born in Pergamum in 131 AD. Pergamum had been an independent country but when Attalus III died without an heir in 133 BC he bequeathed the country to Rome, in order to prevent a civil war. As such during Galen's life it was very much a part of the Roman empire.

Galen himself originally trained in his home city but them probably moved to Alexandria (where human dissection was still not taboo) before becoming court physician to the emperor Marcus Aurelius and moving to Rome in 162. He did mainly speak and write in Greek but as a Roman citizen, born in a Roman province and living in Rome I think it's fair to call him a Roman.

 
Jenny
38769.  Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:06 pm Reply with quote

I understood that high class Roman citizens thought of doctoring as being a kind of manual labour, and thus beneath them - hence the hiring of talented Greeks to do the work.

 
Frederick The Monk
38859.  Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:18 pm Reply with quote

They did, partly at least because of the terrible record of many 'doctors' - hence Martial's famous epigram:

“Until recently, Diaulus was a doctor; now he is an undertaker. He is still doing as an undertaker, what he used to do as a doctor.”
Martial – Epigrams Book I. 47

Galen, who was certainly not a modest man, spent a lot of time in Rome openly challenging the court doctors and, wherever possible holding them up to ridicule. This made a point but didn't make him very popular.

 
Flash
38885.  Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:34 pm Reply with quote

Those asses never did understand the value of bloodletting. Thank God Galen was able to put them right.

 
JumpingJack
38910.  Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:25 pm Reply with quote

The judgement of the Elf-Thing, sitting in plenary session is:

Quibble Denied

Well, staved off, Bo'sun!

 
Frederick The Monk
38949.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:51 am Reply with quote

Always a pleasure to defend Elfdom.

 
Celebaelin
38999.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:03 am Reply with quote

Galen was, as everybody knows, Mimbari.

 
gruoch
39184.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:49 pm Reply with quote

Just thought I'd mention, in a QI sort of way, that Luke the Gospel writer was a Greek doctor.

 
tetsabb
41001.  Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:28 pm Reply with quote

Galen a Minbari???
I think not.. he is a techno-mage

 
Celebaelin
41008.  Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:14 pm Reply with quote

Oh blimey! Serves me right for not keeping up with the films. I could have sworn that Delenn was always banging on about Galen in the series and just assumed that he was Minbari. What was the name of the guy whose soul was found in a human and caused the Minbari to stop the war preventing the destruction of the earth (just in the nick of time)? I thought that was ‘Galen’. Or ‘a’ Galen maybe?

Don’t you just love these ‘specific’ questions?

Gideon: I thought you said you never hold a grudge.
Galen: Well, I don't. I have no surviving enemies... at all.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0149437/quotes

LOL, that sounds like a familiar sentiment from RPGers.

 
djgordy
41036.  Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:13 am Reply with quote

Celebaelin wrote:
Galen was, as everybody knows, Mimbari.


You're thinking of Valen, the name that Jeffrey Sinclair took when he went back in time in Babylon 4.

 
Celebaelin
41039.  Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:32 am Reply with quote

Aha!

Thanks.

 
tetsabb
41370.  Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:46 am Reply with quote

Nice to encounter other B5 fans....

 
gerontius grumpus
42210.  Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:05 pm Reply with quote

Greece had been a part of the Roman empire since long before Galen's time. Does anyone know when all Greeks became Roman citizens? I know it didn't happen throughout the empire until the third century but I'm fairly sure the Greeks were all granted citizenship much earlier.

The Roman empire seems to have been a bit like modern America in that they were Romans but they retained their cultural identity.

If I'm right Galen would have been both a Roman and a Greek.

If I'm wrong .....then I'm just plain wrong.

 
Gray
42223.  Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:13 am Reply with quote

I suppose there's a distinction to be made between 'ethnicity', which is set once only by one's parents' DNA, and 'nationality', which is an adopted status defined at least once by the political environment. It sounds like he could have been ethnically Greek, but of Roman nationality.

The problem word in the sentence 'Galen was Roman' is the word 'was'. 'To be' always seems to cause problems...

 

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