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gerontius grumpus
38876.  Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:08 pm Reply with quote

To paraphrase Scurra, Wickipedia is entirely reliable and accurate unless it is regarding something you know about.

 
JumpingJack
38915.  Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:29 pm Reply with quote

Justify, with examples, please.

 
Flash
38953.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:29 am Reply with quote

I think Gerontius' observation might well hold true of all encyclopedia articles mightn't it? In that they're all summaries, there's an inbuilt tendency to compromise on precision.

On Wikipedia, I looked up the articles on three individuals who I know personally, and they all repeated assertions which I recognised as coming from newspapers and which I know to be untrue. This isn't a complaint, but it does bear out Gerontius' Law. The stories were properly sourced, responsible, and wrong.

 
dr.bob
38966.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:29 am Reply with quote

I often find that newspaper articles do contain the truth, but they tend to bury it very well.


I was reading an article in the Daily Mirror on Saturday about how the BBC 6 o'clock news has increased its viewing figures since Natasha Kaplinsky took over from Sophie Raworth. After going on for several paragraphs about how sexy Natasha is (really?! I must've missed that meeting) and referring to her as "ratings viagra" (spare me!) there was the very small sentence which said "although some suggest it may be due to the increased advertising of the 6 o'clock news recently". So, if you can ignore all the crap, the truth is often buried there somewhere.

Having said that, though, I was chatting to a journalist from the Edinburgh Evening News last night who said that her editor is always trying to "sex up" articles. Picking out the one word which makes it sound bad (if someone mentioned the word "crisis" in passing, it immediately becomes the major quotation) and insisting she gets a quote from someone who's angry about the whole thing. Apparently they have a list of well known right-wing and/or religious nutters who are guaranteed to fly off the handle about just about anything and they can just phone them up for a quotation. She said it's quite depressing becuase these people obviously know what's expected of them and, before you know it, you've just invented a story that doesn't really exist.

 
eggshaped
38972.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:37 am Reply with quote

Doctor Bob in Posting Crisis.

Dr Bob today shocked QI with amazing claims of a "Crisis", before attacking BBC news babe Natasha Kaplinsky.

"sexy Natasha is[...] really[...] crap" claimed Bob in his tirade, before admitting to being " angry about the whole thing".

Barry Johnson from the "Angry Old Men against Everything" group, said "It is quite clear that Dr Bob is a menace to our society, and I will not rest until all Doctors and Bobs are kicked of this country"

 
dr.bob
38985.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:56 am Reply with quote

Actually I would describe Natasha Kaplinsky as really crap. Can't stand the woman. No need for misquoting there :)

As for Barry Johnson, if he's a member of the "Angry Old Men against Everything" group then logically he must be against himself too, so I'll just deflect attention by getting a quote from him about how he should be kicked out of this country too.

As for accuracy of any encyclopedia, I remember realising this when doing research into a school project about killer whales. I went to my local library and looked up killer whales in an old encyclopedia. It mentioned that killer whales are known to eat seals and reported an unconfirmed and baseless rumour amongst sailors that a killer whale was once found with the remains of an improbable number of seals in its stomach.

As I researched the same topic through more and more recent encyclopedias, I was amazed to find that this story was suddenly being reported as the truth. I suppose it's possible that in the intervening time someone found a corroborating source but, if they did, they didn't mention what it was.

Hmmmm, must try to avoid starting paragraphs with "As".

 
Flash
39000.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:06 am Reply with quote

There was a Rabbi on Thought for the Day on Radio 2 yesterday who lives near the site of the big fire, and he said that somebody called in to a radio station he was listening to and said that they had tuned in to the local air traffic control tower and heard the controllers warning approaching planes about the cloud of smoke. 'So you're saying there was a plane involved?' said the reporter. 'No,' said the caller - and repeated his story. The station then carried the report that a plane had been involved in its news bulletins for the next two hours.

 
QI Individual
39007.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:40 am Reply with quote

dr.bob wrote:

As for accuracy of any encyclopedia, I remember realising this when doing research into a school project about killer whales. I went to my local library and looked up killer whales in an old encyclopedia. It mentioned that killer whales are known to eat seals and reported an unconfirmed and baseless rumour amongst sailors that a killer whale was once found with the remains of an improbable number of seals in its stomach.

As I researched the same topic through more and more recent encyclopedias, I was amazed to find that this story was suddenly being reported as the truth. I suppose it's possible that in the intervening time someone found a corroborating source but, if they did, they didn't mention what it was.

Hmmmm, must try to avoid starting paragraphs with "As".

Are you suggesting that Orcas eating seals is a myth?

Because after Sir David Attenborough's series 'The Blue Planet' there can be no doubt that this 'nick-name' is well deserved. Everyone who has seen this series will remember the graphic scenes of an Orca ploughing through the surf of a beach with amazing speed and capturing and killing a seal-pup. Tossing it into the air and, no doubt, eating it.


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violetriga
39014.  Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:21 am Reply with quote

QI Individual wrote:
Because after Sir David Attenborough's series 'The Blue Planet' there can be no doubt that this 'nick-name' is well deserved. Everyone who has seen this series will remember the graphic scenes of an Orca ploughing through the surf of a beach with amazing speed and capturing and killing a seal-pup. Tossing it in the air and, no doubt, eating it.


"No doubt"? So you didn't actually witness it? Well maybe it was just trying to give the seal-pup a kiss. I propose that Killer Whale is actually a mistranslation and is more likely to be Kisser Whale. Maybe.

 
dr.bob
39233.  Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:15 am Reply with quote

QI Individual wrote:
Are you suggesting that Orcas eating seals is a myth?


Not at all. As you point out, David Attenborough has proved this.

The myth was the story that a killer whale had been found with an improbably huge number of seals in its stomach. I believe the original entry mentioned that orcas eat plenty of other things as well and it's highly unlikely that one orca would've eaten so many seals (particularly when they spend so much time playing with their food).

It also mentioned that this story was "widely reported among fishermen" but had "no identifiable source" making it sound very urban mythy. This was obviously ignored by the later versions, though, which simply reported it as fact.

 
QI Individual
39245.  Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:23 am Reply with quote

dr.bob wrote:
The myth was the story that a killer whale had been found with an improbably huge number of seals in its stomach. I believe the original entry mentioned that orcas eat plenty of other things as well and it's highly unlikely that one orca would've eaten so many seals (particularly when they spend so much time playing with their food).

I don't know how many constitutes an 'improbably huge number' but I imagine that when an orca finds a source of easy prey, like a colony with many small seal pups, it will make the most of it and eat as many of them as it can. Since an orca is rather big and seal pups relatively small I can imagine it grazing through them like a hungry child through a bag of m&m's.

(Now I don't want to suggest opening up a child's stomach to check for the number of m&m's of course.)

 
dr.bob
39279.  Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:12 am Reply with quote

Fair point. It was a very long time ago and I've lost an awful lot of brain cells since then, so I'm not really going to argue the point.

Mmmmmmm, M&Ms!

 
Frederick The Monk
39483.  Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:58 am Reply with quote

Wikipedia "Quite Accurate' shock

Quote:
The free online resource Wikipedia is about as accurate on science as the Encyclopedia Britannica, a study shows.
The British journal Nature examined a range of scientific entries on both works of reference and found few differences in accuracy.


More here.

 
violetriga
39495.  Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:04 am Reply with quote

Frederick The Monk wrote:
Wikipedia "Quite Accurate' shock

Quote:
The free online resource Wikipedia is about as accurate on science as the Encyclopedia Britannica, a study shows.
The British journal Nature examined a range of scientific entries on both works of reference and found few differences in accuracy.


More here.


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Caradoc
40425.  Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:54 pm Reply with quote

People have also altered Wili to extract the micheal, see the last paragraph
or here

 

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