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'yorz
834514.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:39 am Reply with quote

I had a similar train of thought when the news first broke: Muslim extremism. And then almost relief when it proved to have been a Norwegian, Caucasian, perpetrator. I heard from various sources that similar reactions came from Norwegians themselves.

bob wrote:
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On a different note - is it really the function of the news to expend an enormous amount of time and energy on reporting this event, and that "people are upset", and speculating in detail?

By all means, let's have the headline report on the news that it's happened, and some gossip about the facts - but does it really need to be the only item along with the death of Amy Winehouse and the sports news when there's a whole load of other stuff that needs to be reported? Is it really necessary for Newsnight to go live to a candlelit vigil? Or for News at Ten to tell us that the Norwegian Royal Family are not best pleased?

I agree with bob that sending reporters to vigils is often superfluous, and even worse, intrusive. I was unhappy to see pictures in the Indie of grieving relatives on Utoeya Island. I don't want to intrude. Leave them be.

 
CB27
834542.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:12 am Reply with quote

Rather than dwell on trying to interpret some idiotic rants as some kind of political or ideological thoughts, I'm starting to pick up some of the more surreal and ridiculous sections of this lunatic's postings and manifesto.

The one that has been mentioned on some sites is where he writes:

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Jeremy Clarkson heads the program “Top Gear” at the BBC, one of the funniest shows on TV. Since it has absolutely nothing to do with politics or religion, only with cars, it is one of the very few programs at the Burka Broadcasting Corporation still worth seeing.

And he then goes on to quote from one of Jeremy's articles in which he wrote "This is the only country in the world where the national flag is deemed offensive." and carries on ranting.

This guys is just all over the place, I'm expecting to see a section where he rants about the socialist propaganda of the smurfs.

 
rewboss
834580.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:26 am Reply with quote

CB27 wrote:
And he then goes on to quote from one of Jeremy's articles in which he wrote "This is the only country in the world where the national flag is deemed offensive."


Jeremy Clarkson should spend some time in Germany, then. The national flag isn't actually deemed offensive -- and neither is the Union Flag in Britain -- but pretty much the only time it's considered socially acceptable to fly the German flag is when there's an international sports event on, or if you also fly other nations' flags as, say, a large hotel might. I'm always struck, whenever I'm in the UK, by how many people fly the flag, compared to over here.

 
suze
834595.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:53 am Reply with quote

Doncha just love Glenn Beck?

Mr Beck takes pride in telling us that he never speculated about the involvement of Islamists. Instead, on his TV show he focused on the fact that the kids' camp on the island was connected with the Arbeiderpartiet, the Norwegian Labour Party.

As he put it, "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like the Hitler Youth or you know whatever". And as if a gratuitous use of the H-word weren't bad enough, he then went on to say "Who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing.".

Even were it disturbing, there's a very good answer to "Who does a camp for kids that's all about politics?". There is an organization in the US called the 9-12 Project, which - among other things - runs summer camps for school kids. While the 9-12 Project goes out of its way to say that it is non-party political, its agenda is very much along Tea Party lines (God is good, socialism is bad, that sort of thing). Now remind me, Mr Beck, who was it set up the 9-12 Project. Oh, it was you ...


(Based in part on something that Jenny posted on Facebook.)

 
CB27
834599.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:02 pm Reply with quote

Funny, I half expected some English commentator to have commented on the fact this was a political youth camp, it's not a terribly popular idea these days, but for Beck to say it in the context of the summer camps in the US seems retarded.

Why is it I can't seem to write a sentence that includes Glenn Beck's name without the word retarded fittig into the sentence so easily...

 
Neotenic
834605.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:32 pm Reply with quote

A quick 30 seconds or so of googling also uncovered the Young Republicans National Convention - held this very month on the island of Puerto Rico.

Surely it must be possible for some well-intentioned souls to engineer a situation where Beck thinks he's broadcasting to the masses, but the microphone is just plugged into a fridge or something.

No doubt his defence will be something along freedom of speech lines, so I think we should all exercise our similar freedoms to remind him, ideally on a minute-by-minute basis, that he is guilty of despicable cuntery of a most profound order.

 
cornixt
834614.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:06 pm Reply with quote

There are a lot of "Christian" youth camps that are really just Republican ideology camps aimed at instilling conservatism as the basis for Christianity. And these same people complain about shariah law.

 
sjb
834615.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:08 pm Reply with quote

rewboss wrote:
CB27 wrote:
And he then goes on to quote from one of Jeremy's articles in which he wrote "This is the only country in the world where the national flag is deemed offensive."


Jeremy Clarkson should spend some time in Germany, then. The national flag isn't actually deemed offensive -- and neither is the Union Flag in Britain -- but pretty much the only time it's considered socially acceptable to fly the German flag is when there's an international sports event on, or if you also fly other nations' flags as, say, a large hotel might. I'm always struck, whenever I'm in the UK, by how many people fly the flag, compared to over here.

I hate to doffcock about flags, but so be it.

Riding trains around the German countryside four years ago, I was struck by the number of national flags being flown at run-of-the-mill houses, mainly in small towns. I didn't count, but it seemed like more than I'm used to seeing in the good ol' US of A (save for certain national holidays).

Anyway, I do defer to you on this matter (and indeed a German relative of mine said something along similar lines about sports events). But I do wonder why I saw so many flags! Can't remember any major sports events going on at the time. Hmm.

 
suze
834619.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:18 pm Reply with quote

Is it related to where you were traveling by train?

In Canada, the frequency of Maple Leaf flags on private homes is in inverse proportion to distance from the US border. Is it perhaps the case that Germans who live close to another country are more likely to fly a flag than those who live in the middle?

The husband (as he then wasn't) spent a week in California scarcely a month after 9/11, and he notes that at that time everyone seemed to fly a little Stars and Stripes on his/her car. I imagine that the frequency of this similarly decreased as time passed.

 
Neotenic
834620.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:19 pm Reply with quote

There certainly was a time when the UK flag was more closely associated with icky nationalist groups than anything else - but that time ended somewhere in the mid-to-late 90's.

 
sjb
834643.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:59 pm Reply with quote

Oh gosh, the volume of US flags in the months after 9/11 was nauseating . . . and I tend to like the American flag! (Really, just about any flag that's red, white, and blue is good in my book.) There certainly aren't as many flags jaunting about these days, save Independence Day, Memorial Day (mostly at cemeteries then), and the like.

I can't swear to the exact train journeys I took four years ago (the fog just keeps creeping in), but some of the cities/towns I know I traveled to/through via train include: Hamburg, Berlin, München, Göttingen, Lutherstadt-Wittenberg, Füssen, Schleswig, Neumünster, Hannover, Rendsburg, and Kassel. Certainly closer and into the larger cities I don't really recall many flags (save for this big fellow by the Reichstag; oh and there was a Turkish man selling knickknacks from a cart on the Spree who had a ratty German flag on his cart--I bought the flag).

But you'll hear no more from me on flags. For now. :P

 
rewboss
834644.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:06 pm Reply with quote

sjb wrote:
Riding trains around the German countryside four years ago, I was struck by the number of national flags being flown at run-of-the-mill houses, mainly in small towns.


Are you sure they were German flags and not state flags? The state flags of Lower Saxony, Rhineland-Palatinate and Saarland all prominently feature the black-red-gold tricolour.

 
rewboss
834648.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:09 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Doncha just love Glenn Beck?


Oh, he's just adorable, isn't he?

The Telegraph website picked the perfect picture of Mr Beck to illustrate their article:



Look again: it's not actually an armband...

 
sjb
834651.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:14 pm Reply with quote

Hmm, good point. On a speeding train it's hard to make out anything beside the colors on a flag. But I know I've never been to either Rhineland-Palatinate or Saarland. Did poke around Niedersachen a fair bit, though. And I was just thinking--I do seem to remember more black-red-gold flags in the north. In the south, more of the white-blue Bavarian flag.

 
CB27
834652.  Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:18 pm Reply with quote

You sometimes get areas within countries that have a very independent spirit based on a notion of past culture. In the UK, if you travel to various places in Cornwall (specially the small towns and villages), you'll see lots of Cornish flags.

 

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