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Celebaelin
1388934.  Sat Sep 04, 2021 10:17 pm Reply with quote

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81 on the 14th of October.

 
Efros
1388938.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:00 am Reply with quote

He is finally looking somewhat close to his age, that portrait in the attic must be looking pretty haggard by now.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1388956.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:00 am Reply with quote

Fun fact - Dorian never kept that picture in the attic. It was in his childhood playroom. Also, that would explain an awful lot about Sir Clifford's creepiness.

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Efros
1388957.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:56 am Reply with quote

Cliff keeps his in the attic though.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1388958.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:03 am Reply with quote

Fair enough. It's an extremely common misconception that Dorian did, too, though, even among people with the appropriate degrees to know better.

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Efros
1388962.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:56 am Reply with quote

Probably down to Wilde being a bit vague about the schoolroom being at the top of the house.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1388965.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:03 am Reply with quote

Yup, makes sense!

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Brock
1388966.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:06 am Reply with quote

Interesting that the Cliffs Notes summary of the book places the schoolroom squarely in the attic:

https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/p/the-picture-of-dorian-gray/summary-and-analysis/chapter-10

Was it an attic in the 1945 film? I remember very little about it.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1388967.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:10 am Reply with quote

I guess it boils down to your definition of attic, no? To me it's storage space under the roof, but as soon as there's an actual usable room there (say a schoolroom or nursery, as would have likely been the case during Oscar's lifetime - certainly when and where he grew up), that part of it comes under the definition of the room and no longer attic as such.

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Brock
1388968.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:31 am Reply with quote

Yes, I think an attic has to be wholly or at least partly inside the roof, by definition. The passage from Wilde's novel suggests strongly to me that the room is on the top floor, not in the attic:

Quote:

"I will show you the way, Mr. Hubbard, if you will kindly follow me. Or perhaps you had better go in front. I am afraid it is right at the top of the house. We will go up by the front staircase, as it is wider.”

He held the door open for them, and they passed out into the hall and began the ascent. The elaborate character of the frame had made the picture extremely bulky, and now and then, in spite of the obsequious protests of Mr. Hubbard, who had the true tradesman’s spirited dislike of seeing a gentleman doing anything useful, Dorian put his hand to it so as to help them.

“Something of a load to carry, sir,” gasped the little man when they reached the top landing. And he wiped his shiny forehead.


Looks as though the authors of Cliffs Notes may have fallen for an urban myth!


Last edited by Brock on Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:40 am; edited 1 time in total

 
AlmondFacialBar
1388969.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:39 am Reply with quote

That said, certainly the nursery might have well been in the attic space, just going by the general layout of townhouses at the time (going by one of these Victorian hotel kips around Paddington I once stayed in and my generally decent knowledge of Georgian Dublin which is probably not all that different to Georgian London in that respect and would certainly have defined Oscar's idea of normal). Only then by my definition that would no longer be an attic.

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Brock
1388970.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:42 am Reply with quote

Hmm, well it sounds a bit grand for an attic room to me:

Quote:
He had not entered the place for more than four years—not, indeed, since he had used it first as a play-room when he was a child, and then as a study when he grew somewhat older. It was a large, well-proportioned room, which had been specially built by the last Lord Kelso for the use of the little grandson whom, for his strange likeness to his mother, and also for other reasons, he had always hated and desired to keep at a distance. It appeared to Dorian to have but little changed. There was the huge Italian cassone, with its fantastically painted panels and its tarnished gilt mouldings, in which he had so often hidden himself as a boy. There the satinwood book-case filled with his dog-eared schoolbooks. On the wall behind it was hanging the same ragged Flemish tapestry where a faded king and queen were playing chess in a garden, while a company of hawkers rode by, carrying hooded birds on their gauntleted wrists. How well he remembered it all! Every moment of his lonely childhood came back to him as he looked round. He recalled the stainless purity of his boyish life, and it seemed horrible to him that it was here the fatal portrait was to be hidden away. How little he had thought, in those dead days, of all that was in store for him!

 
AlmondFacialBar
1388971.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:45 am Reply with quote

Brock wrote:
Hmm, well it sounds a bit grand for an attic room to me:

Quote:
He had not entered the place for more than four years—not, indeed, since he had used it first as a play-room when he was a child, and then as a study when he grew somewhat older. It was a large, well-proportioned room, which had been specially built by the last Lord Kelso for the use of the little grandson whom, for his strange likeness to his mother, and also for other reasons, he had always hated and desired to keep at a distance. It appeared to Dorian to have but little changed. There was the huge Italian cassone, with its fantastically painted panels and its tarnished gilt mouldings, in which he had so often hidden himself as a boy. There the satinwood book-case filled with his dog-eared schoolbooks. On the wall behind it was hanging the same ragged Flemish tapestry where a faded king and queen were playing chess in a garden, while a company of hawkers rode by, carrying hooded birds on their gauntleted wrists. How well he remembered it all! Every moment of his lonely childhood came back to him as he looked round. He recalled the stainless purity of his boyish life, and it seemed horrible to him that it was here the fatal portrait was to be hidden away. How little he had thought, in those dead days, of all that was in store for him!


True, that. HA! Cliffs Notes got it wrong!

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AlmondFacialBar

 
Brock
1388975.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:07 am Reply with quote

Oh, that's not the first blunder I've found in Cliffs Notes. Wait... I may have a thread for the T series...

EDIT: post 1388976

 
Jenny
1388986.  Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:08 am Reply with quote

In Victorian houses with a staircase up to the attic, the attic often did become a nursery or schoolroom though, often furnished with bits of furniture cast off from the rest of the house. The ragged tapestry and the dog-eared schoolbooks suggest that, at any rate.

 

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