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'yorz
817974.  Sat May 21, 2011 4:14 am Reply with quote

I need help with the following.
Just had my mother on the phone who was very excited about a Rembrandt Bible somebody lent her. It's a very old one, hard-cover, with incredibly thin (rice?) paper, lots of illustrations of R's paintings and etchings, and it's gild-edged.
Strange thing is, there's no mention of publisher, year etc. Nothing. Zip.
Any suggestions about age, where to seek info?

 
hassan el kebir
817986.  Sat May 21, 2011 4:30 am Reply with quote

Blimey, I wish you luck, 'yorz. Of all the squillions of editions of the Bible there have been, to track down just one of them (unless, of course, it's a bit of a special one) will be like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack.

There must be book dealers who specialise in religious stuff; a trawl on the interweb is called for. Still, what else did you have planned for today on account of the world ending?

I seem to remember your ma lives in Australia, if so I reckon that'll make your quest that little bit more difficult on account of them being a bunch of godless heathens down under ;-)

 
'yorz
817993.  Sat May 21, 2011 4:47 am Reply with quote

Hi, E-O :) Sorry to hear about your bog-trottings. Nil Desperandum. It'll pass. Through.

Zillions of bibles - yes, bot the fact that it is a Rembrandt-edition narrows it down quite a lot. I'll wait for the likes of Hans Mof (the lad has a good sense of humour, mind :) to come up with an idea how/where to search.

 
Zebra57
818004.  Sat May 21, 2011 5:45 am Reply with quote

Is this any help? It looks as if the Bible could be worth a bit.

http://www.danburymint.co.uk/index.php?act=product&product_id=2236&cat_id=&mediacode=&kiks_code=

 
Hans Mof
818141.  Sat May 21, 2011 4:01 pm Reply with quote

Sorry, this time round I'm of no use. Not much of a bibliophile. That is to say: I love text but don't care much about the presentation. Most of the bibles in my possession are paperbacks, and one hardcover misses a couple of pages due to me running out of cigarette papers.

 
'yorz
818150.  Sat May 21, 2011 4:27 pm Reply with quote

That got me thinking. Which pages can one smoke without disrupting the narrative?

Suggestions?

 
Zebra57
818188.  Sat May 21, 2011 7:30 pm Reply with quote

The Book of Obidiah is the shortest and often has some space below the text.

 
'yorz
829656.  Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:38 pm Reply with quote

DutchBat in Srebenica. Smelly mess that keeps popping up. What hasn't been re-shown yet (but no doubt will) are the images of the Dutch soldiers in Zagreb, celebrating their 'victory' (?!) along with Crown Prince Willem-Alexander and then Prime Minister Wim Kok, singing and dancing and getting completely sloshed. What made this footage very embarrassing and sickening was the fact that that was only days after those last three Bosnian men had been kicked off the compound and subsequently slaughtered. DutchBat was then ordered by the Dutch Government to vacate the camp and go to Zagreb.

Also - the Dutch Army asked the returned soldiers to send in their photo rolls (it was of course in the days before digital cameras) as they might well contain vital evidence. Lots of the boys did so. And then - oops, somehow the wrong chemicals entered the dark rooms, and all films were rendered useless.

It is one honking mess.

 
AlmondFacialBar
829676.  Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:05 pm Reply with quote

Hans Mof wrote:
Sorry, this time round I'm of no use. Not much of a bibliophile. That is to say: I love text but don't care much about the presentation. Most of the bibles in my possession are paperbacks, and one hardcover misses a couple of pages due to me running out of cigarette papers.


Tbh, I'm amazed you even own more than one. I have my mom's confirmation bible that she passed down to me for mine (a beautiful thing, in black moroccan leather) in German and a New World Edition that I took from the swap shelf in work the other day. Never felt the need to own more than that...

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
suze
829705.  Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:26 pm Reply with quote

I also have two. I have my confirmation Bible - although it's merely hardcover, not Morocco bound. It's a conventional RC edition with Douay-Rheims text (Challoner's revision).

The D-R text holds the same place for Catholics as does the King James text for Anglicans, and by now it's not the usual choice in church. But I was asked whether I wanted D-R or Jerusalem, and I chose the former. I just don't really like the Bible in modern language, even if the Jerusalem's version of Jonah was written by J R R Tolkien.

I also have a Polish Bible which my dad inherited from his mom, and which has since passed down to me. It's on very thin paper, and has to be handled with some care, but it's unlikely ever to leave my possession. (Since neither my husband nor his daughter is an RC, it will probably go back to Canada and to one of my sister's kids when I'm no longer around.)

 
sjb
829726.  Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:04 pm Reply with quote

An elderly friend of the family came across a former husband's family Bible. She recognized the language as German and photocopied the handwritten notes about (what she said were) births, deaths, etc., for me to help translate. Well, I saw the title page in the photocopies and it was definitely German, though printed in the US (can't remember where exactly). But the handwritten notes were . . . willy nilly. There were a few phrases and words that were German but made no sense, especially with the jibber jabber all around. The penmanship is terrible and the copy quality is equally bad. I wish I knew what the hell it says.

PS: Are RCs supposed to get a confirmation Bible? SpousalUnit says he didn't get one, but seems to remember others getting one. Sehr interessant.

 
suze
829729.  Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:42 pm Reply with quote

I don't think there are any hard and fast rules about it, but it's usual to receive some kind of gift upon confirmation. I already had a crucifix and a rosary, but didn't have an adult Bible, so the choice was an easy one.

Since rosaries tend to be thought of as more of a women's thing, a lot of Catholic girls get one at a young age. Boys not so much, so a rosary is not unusual as a confirmation gift for a guy.

Another option is something relating to the confirmation name. But my confirmation name is Marja (i.e. Mary), and there's no Catholic girl who doesn't already have at least as much Mary-ana as she's ever going to need!

 
Arcane
829734.  Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:00 pm Reply with quote

hassan el kebir wrote:


I seem to remember your ma lives in Australia, if so I reckon that'll make your quest that little bit more difficult on account of them being a bunch of godless heathens down under ;-)


THANKS VERY MUCH.

Suppose it doesn't help I'm an atheist anyway? XD

 
'yorz
829749.  Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:24 am Reply with quote

Quote:
Since rosaries tend to be thought of as more of a women's thing


I always equated them to worry beads, and those are very much used in Arabic countries by men.

 
AlmondFacialBar
829752.  Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:43 am Reply with quote

sjb wrote:
An elderly friend of the family came across a former husband's family Bible. She recognized the language as German and photocopied the handwritten notes about (what she said were) births, deaths, etc., for me to help translate. Well, I saw the title page in the photocopies and it was definitely German, though printed in the US (can't remember where exactly). But the handwritten notes were . . . willy nilly. There were a few phrases and words that were German but made no sense, especially with the jibber jabber all around. The penmanship is terrible and the copy quality is equally bad. I wish I knew what the hell it says.

PS: Are RCs supposed to get a confirmation Bible? SpousalUnit says he didn't get one, but seems to remember others getting one. Sehr interessant.


Do you have scans of those pages? I'm good with handwriting, and I'm certainly good with German. ;-)

As for the confirmation bible - I was brought up Lutheran and very much knew it as a tradition. Actually it's probably more prevalent with us than with Catholics because Lutheranism puts so much emphasis on scripture study.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 

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