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lord_deox
36627.  Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:32 pm Reply with quote

i have to disagree with the comment about banana being a 'fruit'. a fruit is actually a container for the fertilised egg aka a seed. this means apples, pears, cucumbers, tomatoes etc are all fruits

the banana doesn't contain seeds. it actually contains the eggs of the banana plant that, when fertilised, will become a banana tree.

 
iano200
36629.  Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:38 pm Reply with quote

A banana is technically refered to as a
False Berry
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A false berry or epigynous berry is an accessory fruit found in certain plant species with an inferior ovary. In these species the floral tube (including the basal parts of the sepals, petals, and stamens) can ripen along with the ovary, forming the false berry.

Examples of plants which produce false berries include:

* banana
* family Cucurbitaceae
o Cucumis, like cucumber and canteloupe
o watermelon
o Cucurbita (gourds), like squash and pumpkin
* family Ribes, such as gooseberry and the currants (including redcurrant and blackcurrant)
* cranberry, blueberry, and other members of Vaccinium

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_berry

 
djgordy
36645.  Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:11 pm Reply with quote

lord_deox wrote:
i have to disagree with the comment about banana being a 'fruit'. a fruit is actually a container for the fertilised egg aka a seed. this means apples, pears, cucumbers, tomatoes etc are all fruits

the banana doesn't contain seeds. it actually contains the eggs of the banana plant that, when fertilised, will become a banana tree.


Banana tree? Bananas don't grow on trees. Banana plants are herbaceous perennials.

 
Linda Losito
36647.  Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:35 pm Reply with quote

I have to disagree with both some of Mr Fry's statements on tonight's show and some of the subsequent comments here.

Neither the strawberry nor the apple (for instance) is a fruit of any kind. A fruit is derived from the ovary of a flower. Both of these are false fruits derived from the receptacle on which the ovary sits. The apple core and the strawberry pips are the true fruits.

 
djgordy
36667.  Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:18 am Reply with quote

Linda Losito wrote:

Neither the strawberry nor the apple (for instance) is a fruit of any kind. A fruit is derived from the ovary of a flower. Both of these are false fruits derived from the receptacle on which the ovary sits. The apple core and the strawberry pips are the true fruits.


Now we're just being silly. It is perfectly legitimate to apply the term 'fruit' to the whole of the fruiting body including the fleshy tissue that surrounds the seeds. Different plants reproduce in different ways and it is not always possible to apply a term to one plant in exactly the same way that it is applied to another. We like to have a preciseness and exactitude for language so that we can put words in dictionaries but when we get out into the world we find that nature refuses to be nailed down in the same way.

 
gerontius grumpus
36675.  Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:09 am Reply with quote

I seem to remember learning in A level biology that the strawberry is a false fruit.

It's certainly not a cluster of drupelets as the seeds are on the outside.

 
ficklefiend
37099.  Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:31 pm Reply with quote

Dude, you put it in a fruit salad- it's a fruit.

 
JumpingJack
37192.  Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:49 pm Reply with quote

A pedant writes:

Yes, yes. I love this.

 
gerontius grumpus
37196.  Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:58 pm Reply with quote

What about rhubarb then?

 
djgordy
37204.  Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:19 pm Reply with quote

gerontius grumpus wrote:
What about rhubarb then?


Nobody thinks that rhubarb is fruit.

 
gerontius grumpus
37215.  Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:38 pm Reply with quote

No but it could go in a fruit salad, a rather sharp fruit salad.

 

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