| Neotenic
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| 797385. Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:28 am |
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| Quote: | | (my added emphasis in both cases) |
Yup - you've added your emphasis to the journalist's preamble.
The bit I copied out was the direct quote, which is Julian putting things in rather more unequivocal terms.
For me, what is curious, is for someone whose entire public profile is built upon using the internet to exercise their freedom of speech to be denouncing it as a tool of oppression.
This speaks to me of an increasing slide into paranoia and delusion.
Not only that, but he also attempts to put Wikileaks front and centre in the Egyptian and Tunisian revolutions, which is a level of baseless self-aggrandisment even you would be proud of. |
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| CB27
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| 809751. Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:39 am |
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I see they've released yet more fantastically unknown information, such as (wait for it....), Finsbury Park Mosque was a "haven" for extremists who were radicalised by Abu Qatada and Abu Hamza. Quick, someone arrest them before they get up to more mischief.... Oh....
The other bit of newsn that's really shocking? An al-Qaeda militant worked for a while as a double agent for both Britain and Canada! Surely British and Canadian intelligence officers must have realised there's no point in trying to recruit agents who are actively inside al-Qaeda in order to learn about them? (I need a sarcasm smiley)
I notice no one is quite sure of what Bin Hamlili is up to now or where exactly he is, but I guess he can face two outcomes: Either someone pissed off at him being a double agent will go after him, or al-Qaeda will contact him to try and jog his memory to learn how he was recruited, where, and by whom, so they can tighten their grip. Either way, Wikitwonks has really served society by this revelation... |
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| CB27
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| 827169. Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:41 am |
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Nothing to do with Wikitwonks, I remember mentioning trading on here, and while I took a break from it for a while because I was really busy, I came back into it, and at the 20 week anniversary of trading, an account I put £460 into altogether, has now got about £3.5k, which is mostly achieved by not looking at the market.
Kind of makes you wonder if economists didn't look at the market we might all be doing better now :)
I've decided to continue till first week of August and lock in half or £2k, whichever is higher, and that'll go towards a very decent treat for my birthday :D |
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| PDR
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| 827181. Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:52 am |
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I am not a financial advisor, but given what might be about to happen in greece (to name but one) I'd consider locking £1.5-£2k into cash right now, and let the rest ruun at risk.
£6.16 supplied,
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| CB27
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| 827194. Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:09 am |
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I'm only trading on USD v EURO, to keep it simple, and as it's trading on spreads, I can trade either way, and put in some hedge calls to minimise losses (I've had a few losing days as well). The more volatile a market, the better for me, I tend to make losses on quiet days.
I started it as a bit of fun, which is why I put only a little in, and am still playing with low stakes, which means I've decreased my exposure risk from 1/200 to around 1/1500.
I'll need to be earning a pretty decent amount from this to make me consider it as something serious. |
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| Jenny
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| 827236. Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:02 pm |
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| CB27, PDR (and Neo?) - what about starting a thread about trading under that name so that interested parties can follow it? I'd certainly be interested - it's something I know absolutely nothing about, and I'd love to know what you've been doing CB so that I can learn from it. |
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| Neotenic
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| 827254. Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:15 pm |
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| Good idea - I'll refrain from comment for now pending the creation of such a thread. |
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| PDR
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| 827255. Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:15 pm |
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Because currency speculation is immoral and those who indulge in it should be burned at the prok-chap before being flayed alive and dowsed in hot chilli sauce?
Sorry - I don't know what came over me there.
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| 827328. Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:04 pm |
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| I'll see about writing something this weekend maybe, sorry for the hijack - please remove the pliars from my lower region... |
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| bobwilson
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| 827378. Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:32 pm |
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| I guess I'll really have to spell it out in words of one syllable |
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| 827392. Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:58 am |
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| You keep promising that on various topics, but all you ever do is spout reams of weapons-grade bollocks to make a simple point, or to hide the fact that you don't have a point worth making in the first place. |
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| Neotenic
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| 842800. Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:00 am |
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That's precisely what I thought.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, I've recently read the Guardian's book mentioned in the article. It was a bit shit, tbh - and I certainly don't recall reading something that made me think I knew the password.
But the idea that Assange would actually sue for this leaked material being leaked suggests to me just how divorced the Wikileaks project has become from it's original stated goals, and how it has just become a vehicle for Assange's heavyweight ego. |
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| Neotenic
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| 918295. Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:15 pm |
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I have been watching the latest developments in the Assange pantomime with increasing incredulity.
After the failure of what will be at least the third appeal against Swedish extradition, taking refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy was a plot twist that I can't imagine that many would have foreseen.
The choice of Ecuador is a peculiar one - sure, it seems that their president has become part of the Assange fanclub, but that certainly wasn't the case at the time of the diplomatic cable leak. Additionally, Human Rights Watch has some interesting things to say about freedom of expression in Ecuador, many of which do seem to be rather in conflict with Wikileak ideals.
Indeed, just how different would our press look if it were possible, as it is there, for journalists to face charges for even offending a member of the government or the president?
It does seem that the primary reason for his continuing, and increasingly bizarre, resistance to return to Sweden for - we should remember - formal questioning, not even being charged, is that he believes it is a fait accompli that he will be extradited in turn from there and thrown into a deep dark hole controlled by the Americans.
.....and I really don't know that this is true. If nothing else, as the cases of Gary McKinnon and the Natwest 3 should show, the States aren't exactly shy about asking us for people of interest in their criminal cases, so why couldn't he have been extradited from here instead? Why is a trip to Sweden inevitably just a stop-off on the way to Gitmo?
The thing that has added additional spice to proceedings is that in fleeing to a foreign embassy, he appears to have violated his parole - which does rather hang those well-wishers with conveniently deep pockets that put up his bail out to dry. So again, just as he did with Wikileaks colleagues, and his media partners at places like the Guardian, he seems perfectly happy to dump on people that have been helping him if it suits his purposes.
I find it hard not to see him, fundamentally, as an arrogant coward. |
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| 918321. Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:38 pm |
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| Neotenic wrote: | | The thing that has added additional spice to proceedings is that in fleeing to a foreign embassy, he appears to have violated his parole - which does rather hang those well-wishers with conveniently deep pockets that put up his bail out to dry. |
That appears to be the case. Jemima Khan is one of those who has found his bail money, and is quoted in tonight's Evening Standard as saying - in more diplomatic words - that she's somewhat pissed at him for this very reason.
But it's difficult to see what happens next. While Mr Assange remains holed up in the Ecuadorean embassy, he is beyond the reach of the British authorities. (And I trust that the government will give no time at all to any voices of the further right who suggest that we invade the embassy and bring him out.)
But he cannot leave the building without being arrested. Even if he is granted asylum in Ecuador, he would have to cross London to get to an airport - and it is being made clear that he will be arrested if he tries to do that.
In theory, Ecuador could accredit him as a diplomatic courier - Britain has no right to object to this, and he would then have diplomatic immunity while in possession of a diplomatic bag. (Indeed, there's actually nothing to stop a country from declaring a person to be a diplomatic bag.)
But even then, the logistics of getting him out of the country seem impossible. The only way I can see that it could be done would be for him to travel to an airport as a diplomatic courier and then board an Ecuadorean military airplane. But if any such airplane is sent, Britain will just refuse it permission to land. |
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