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HappyOddGirl
756710.  Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:29 pm Reply with quote

In one of the previous series' (can't remember which!) we were told that some tiny place (compared with the other countries involved, I mean) was named in Britain's declaration of war for the kick off of WWII, but was not named in the peace agreement. Can anyone remember what the place was?

Would be very grateful if someone could produce the goods... thanks folks :)

 
MinervaMoon
756712.  Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:32 pm Reply with quote

Berwick-upon-Tweed.

Series 3, Episode 7

 
HappyOddGirl
756866.  Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:05 am Reply with quote

A thousand blessings on your head! :)

 
HappyOddGirl
756875.  Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:23 am Reply with quote

...and I perceive, upon perusal of the transcript, that I had got the wrong war. Heigh ho! :D

 
dr bartolo
756883.  Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:39 am Reply with quote

it was the crimean war.
as for wwii, east & west germany were not united till 1990, & so therefore, the war did not end till then

 
suze
756898.  Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:31 pm Reply with quote

Comparably, there is some doubt as to whether Austria and San Marino have ever made peace following WWI - see post 392821.

 
samivel
756915.  Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:58 pm Reply with quote

Cor, imagine being warred by San Marino.

 
Zebra57
756989.  Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:30 pm Reply with quote

France encouraged Andorra to declare war on Germany on the outbreak of World War 1 and forgot to mention them in the peace treaty at Versailles? Technically Andorra was at war with Imperial Germany until 1957.

 
suze
756996.  Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:40 pm Reply with quote

Or so it has often been claimed (including, ahem, by me on these very forums).

In fact, Andorra and Germany made peace on 25 September 1939; Andorra was (officially) neutral in WWII, so it thought it was about time to end one conflict just as other countries began to get involved in another. Post 391853 refers.

 
Zebra57
757182.  Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:46 pm Reply with quote

Welcome to QI Forum Happy Odd Girl.

The Andorra reference was from an article in the New York Times 1958 which was my source and no doubt the basis for other articles.

You may want to look at these two references (the Isles of Scilly is a fascinating oddity.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_extended_by_diplomatic_irregularity

http://www.suite101.com/content/modern-military-history-of-andorra-a26925

 
BondiTram
1168138.  Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:45 am Reply with quote

I love Andorra's motto 'Touch me if you Dare'

Now that, is bravado.

 
'yorz
1168145.  Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:56 am Reply with quote

Welcome back into the fold, BondiTram. That was a hell of a sabbatical. Six years!

 
BondiTram
1168148.  Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:03 am Reply with quote

I've been asleep, the previous 6 were very tiring.

But thank you, nice to be noticed.

 
Zebra57
1168637.  Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:13 am Reply with quote

San Marino declared itself neutral during WW1 and WW11.

The New York Times in error reported that the tiny state had declared war on Britain 0n 17th September 1940.

 
PDR
1168675.  Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:58 am Reply with quote

See also "the mouse that roared".

Many of these claims are interesting, but in strictly legal terms some fail scrutiny. For example any member of the EU automatically "declares end of war" with all other member states the day they sign the treaty (because it's written therein that no member state is at war with any other member state). In theory they also abandon all territorial claims on land within the borders of another member state because in signing the treaty they accept the borders as currently defined, although Spain seems to have forgotten this bit.

Whether Berwick on Tweed is part of the UK for Treaty of Rome purposes is a matter of debate. The general consensus is that it is for two reasons:

1. There are no clearly-defined and internationally-recognised borders for the territory of "Berwick-on-Tweed"

2. Berwick-on-Tweed has happily enjoyed the benefits and privileges of EU membership from the time the UK joined, and VAT has been collected within those borders. SO it's a part of the EU by a principle similar to Adverse Possession.

PDR

 

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