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mckeonj
750041.  Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:48 am Reply with quote

Something similar happens with forenames in Gaelic, when the leading consonant is 'softened' in the vocative case, that is when the person is addressed by name.
This occurs in common speech, even when English is being spoken.
James>Hamish
Mike>Veich
Patrick>Farik*

*quite rare, but I have heard it

 
Spud McLaren
750129.  Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:13 pm Reply with quote

Janet H wrote:
How nice to vada your jolly old eek.

mckeonj wrote:
Actually, it's eke, not eek.

In the context of Janet's post, it's probably eek - it's Polari and short for ecaf, or face backwards.

However, Janet - wasn't it dolly where you have jolly? Must listen to more of that disc...

 
monzac
750131.  Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:43 pm Reply with quote

'Tis dolly ;)

 
gerontius grumpus
750889.  Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:38 pm Reply with quote

The Romans had a cognomen, a sort of official nickname such as Caligula (little boots) or Commodus (useful).
Sometimes the cognomen became incorporated in the family name like Caesar (not the title adopted by the emperors) or Claudius.

 
mckeonj
750903.  Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:23 pm Reply with quote

Quite a number of famous people are best known by their eke-names - a few that spring to mind are:
Plato
Caesar
Cicero
Napoleon
Stalin
Kafka

I have omitted the contemporary musical ephemerides, of which I wot not.

 
Zebra57
750914.  Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:56 pm Reply with quote

I thought that a trip down memory lane to Bona Books would be QI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps87aOHorv4

 
monzac
750980.  Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:17 am Reply with quote

I have that, I do, but it was bona to hear it again :)

 
Zebra57
751002.  Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:49 am Reply with quote

This was an extract from "Bona Law" which I hope you find fabulosa:

HORNE: Will you take my case?

JULIAN: Well, it depends on what it is. We’ve got a criminal practice that takes up most of our time.

HORNE: Yes, but apart from that — I need legal advice.

SANDY: Ooh, isn’t he bold?

 
monzac
751010.  Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:47 am Reply with quote

From 'Keep Britain Bona', the election campaign.

SANDY: Shake hands with your prospective member...

JULIAN: That's me... I stand behind the working man...

SANDY: Yes he does... and I stand behind Jule. I'm his campaign manager.

JULIAN: He's an old campaigner, Mr Horne.

 
AlmondFacialBar
751175.  Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:32 pm Reply with quote

Looking at the it from a German point of view here - for whatever that may or may not be worth - I found that an-ekename thing a bit abstruse. We have the verb "necken", which translates into something like "to amiably mock someone", and, derived from that, the compound "Neckname", which is an exact translation of "nickname". Admittedly, the term is extremely old-fashioned and well on the way to obsolete (today's term would be "Spitzname"), but still it would make a lot more etymological sense to me to group these two together than what was suggested on the programme. Or would they both go back to that root?

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
monzac
751186.  Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:52 pm Reply with quote

It's possible that 'necken' was formed after 'Neckname', and therefore has a different aspect to its meaning.

 
Zebra57
751217.  Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:03 pm Reply with quote

The QI fact about Julian and Sandy is that it appeared at a time when there was supposed to be strict censorship. In Round the Horne by using Polari which the powers that be probably had not a clue about its meanings they said some of the most outrageous dialogue on radio.

Hugh Paddick and Kenneth Williams were excellent in their camp persona and Kenneth Horne the brilliant straight man (in both senses of the word)

SANDY: “Don’t mention Malaga to Julian, he got very badly stung.”
HORNE: “Portuguese man o’war?”
JULIAN: “Well I never saw him in uniform…”

and this sound bite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-HnvgaOKAQ

 
monzac
751271.  Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:43 am Reply with quote

Bona, again.

The Qi fact for me is how funny the whole show is, every time I hear it.

 
Sadurian Mike
751338.  Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:57 am Reply with quote

A shame that you are so far away. The BBC often repeat it over here.

 
Zebra57
751441.  Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:15 pm Reply with quote

To clear up a minor point about Julian and Sandy this quote was taken from the script

"how bona it was to vada Mr Horne's jolly old eek again".

 

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