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vantheman
998876.  Fri May 24, 2013 3:02 am Reply with quote

CharliesDragon wrote:
Ooh, I like perky Perkins! :P


Not-so-porky-Perkins? (I like her, too: she's definitely one of the better late-edition semi-regulars.)

 
Xizzzy
1003250.  Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:33 am Reply with quote

It is Rory McGrath, because he only appears on episodes C3, C6, and D4. He then never appears again in the show which follows the logic that he 'was' a regular up until he wasn't asked on the show again. John Sessions on the other hand appears as late as the J series for a total of 10 appearances. I don't think they would ask him on if they were bothered enough by this mystery guest to specifically say without naming him that he isn't asked on anymore. The other candidates from this thread don't seem to fit and are contradicted by other posts which point out how Carr can ad lib with the best of them and Jo doesn't strike me as someone who takes the quiz seriously and has fun regardless of what the question was or the answer is and entertains. Rich doesn't speak enough to make me suspect him but the idea that he might prepare for it due to cultural differences seems credible at first until you watch him in the show. He doesn't display a vast knowledge of british culture out of the blue and tends to be quiet until he like Jo, entertains the audience and other panelists. So in conclusion, the guest who demanded the questions or even asked for them to prepare beforehand is Rory. Whether this makes him insufferable or not is still up in the air since nobody appart from the people who create and host the show knows the reasons and they decided not to bring him back presumably for that reason. Which upon further reflection I suppose makes him insufferable after all.

 
Sadurian Mike
1003402.  Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:42 am Reply with quote

CB27 wrote:
Come on, it's so obvious who has all the answers.

Whited out:

It's Stephen Fry :p

Ahem.

post 740573

 
Sadurian Mike
1003403.  Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:52 am Reply with quote

Funny how people blame McGrath because he seems to have displayed a wealth of trivia knowledge. You forget, however, that much of what he actually said was well above and beyond what the question called for.

Take the taxonomy of birds, for example. McGrath displayed far more knowledge than was ever called for to simply answer correctly. Had he only just learned all that for the show then he deserves recognition for having an amazing ability to learn it all that quickly!

 
Chowchilla
1003406.  Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:17 am Reply with quote

Sadurian Mike wrote:
Funny how people blame McGrath because he seems to have displayed a wealth of trivia knowledge. You forget, however, that much of what he actually said was well above and beyond what the question called for.

Take the taxonomy of birds, for example. McGrath displayed far more knowledge than was ever called for to simply answer correctly. Had he only just learned all that for the show then he deserves recognition for having an amazing ability to learn it all that quickly!

Agreed. I consider myself of distinctly average intellect (I'm very much a C grade student) but even I knew that Calcium is a metal; the scientific names of the birds he mentioned (any birdwatcher which includes me would say the same); and that the Cherokee pronounce that word rather like 'tsalagi'.

 
CB27
1003612.  Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:35 pm Reply with quote

Sadurian Mike wrote:
CB27 wrote:
Come on, it's so obvious who has all the answers.

Whited out:

It's Stephen Fry :p

Ahem.

post 740573

Shhh, don't let people guess we're one and the same....

 
Sadurian Mike
1003653.  Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:52 am Reply with quote

I thought you only happened when I forgot to take the small yellow pills.

 
zomgmouse
1003665.  Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:00 am Reply with quote

You mean when his mother forgot.

 
Troux
1005214.  Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:34 am Reply with quote

Xizzzy wrote:
It is Rory McGrath, because he only appears on episodes C3, C6, and D4. He then never appears again in the show which follows the logic that he 'was' a regular up until he wasn't asked on the show again. John Sessions on the other hand appears as late as the J series for a total of 10 appearances. I don't think they would ask him on if they were bothered enough by this mystery guest to specifically say without naming him that he isn't asked on anymore. The other candidates from this thread don't seem to fit and are contradicted by other posts which point out how Carr can ad lib with the best of them and Jo doesn't strike me as someone who takes the quiz seriously and has fun regardless of what the question was or the answer is and entertains. Rich doesn't speak enough to make me suspect him but the idea that he might prepare for it due to cultural differences seems credible at first until you watch him in the show. He doesn't display a vast knowledge of british culture out of the blue and tends to be quiet until he like Jo, entertains the audience and other panelists. So in conclusion, the guest who demanded the questions or even asked for them to prepare beforehand is Rory. Whether this makes him insufferable or not is still up in the air since nobody appart from the people who create and host the show knows the reasons and they decided not to bring him back presumably for that reason. Which upon further reflection I suppose makes him insufferable after all.


First of all, Stephen said it was a regular, which Rory never was. Secondly, Rory is an avid birdwatcher. He ought to know what he did about the birds that he was asked about, and like many other non-regular guests, he was probably brought on for that episode in particular to flex his knowledge on his specialty subject.

Secondly, saying that Carr doesn't need preparation because he always has witty remarks is like saying that politicians don;t need speech writers because all of their speech is so eloquent and tactful. I don't doubt that he's clever, but I find it more likely that he's simply canny and competitive, and has been doing this sort of thing all along. He's simply well-prepared to offer his retorts and off-the-cuff remarks, which is a common tactic amongst comics. Look at his dapper attire, his meet-the-parents haircut and trademark off-beat decorum and tell me that's not a man that is determinedly prepared. I'd put all my money on Carr in this debate.

As for his fridge magnet letter magic...I couldn't help but notice he didn't have any Q's, X's or Z's to use there... Lucky guy?

 
Ship's Kat
1006091.  Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:54 am Reply with quote

rudifuller wrote:
Assuming this is not a wonderfully crafted self-developed piece of social media genius to vastly up the on-line chatter... and I won't name names in case that's not the done thing, but I just watched an episode where one member had the first ad-lib to virtually every question and at no stage did the camera pan to Mr Fry laughing, whereas for everyone else it did........


........My candidate who I recently saw in Kingston doing a charity crisp thing appeared to me to have abnormally black died hair, black died eyebrow and it looked so strange it could have even been black died eyelashes daylight is so revealing). So On TV he looks quite normal but under the surface a generous bit of tinkering is going on.

If it is him, initially my thought was the guy needs crucifying!


I agree with you, I too have some insider knowledge. A close friend manages or has managed, at some point many of the regular comics. Not, "he of the coloured hair", but suffice to say, he is considered in some circles, to be a weasel, even been seen to do shows with a clip-board as he's "doing new material". The etiquette is obviously, for new material to be tested in certain pubs: gratis. So they're fine tuned for paying audiences. He's ego-centric, lazy + has a huge chip(maybe a crisp) on his shoulder.

 
Ship's Kat
1006093.  Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:01 am Reply with quote

[quote="khasab"]
ChompyChomps wrote:
Actually, after watching S03Ep03 I doubt it is Carr, but seems clearly McGrath


If it's true, and I suppose if Fry has said it then it is true, I would go for John sessions as being the guilty party.


I remember being impressed @ Rory's knowledge. He did set the Klaxon off a few times eg the "Chav in Eastenders", but he knew the correct answer so that was obviously a joke. It isn't a surprise to see his linguistic skills, he is a BA(hons) in Eng Lang. (I think) as opposed to Fry's English Lit. He's an avid ornithologist, and angler so knowing the etymology of birds/fish isn't surprising. As he'd been helping his son study Chemistry he'd very recently memorised the periodic table, so merely picturing it in his mind would remind him Ca is a metal. Although once we heard the answer, it was obvious, as it is many yrs since I had cause to look at said table I can't say I'd have immediately thought of Ca. I know it is metallic, but as it is so soft and rarely seen other than in compounds, it just doesn't spring to mind, for me anyway. When Fry questioned him further he was able to recall atomic numbers for random elements, even if it took a bit longer, who knows if we saw him answer in real time, or if it was edited to look as though he answered, immediately.
Also as other have said, he was never a regular. I think maybe 3 shows, perhaps 2. It surprised me he was never back on, as I thought he was a good guest. I did get the impression neither Fry or Davies are keen on him.
Stephen, says at one point, he should be an "exhibit in a zoo", because knows so much. Normally, he praises knowledge, eg John Sessions quoting dates of birth and death of artists, but Sessions, is Fry's crony. Alan also referred to a joke Rory made about the idea of calling an avian TV show, he was to host with Bill Oddie the zoological name that refers to "Bearded Tits". Fry, months later, said something about a bearded tit and Davies said "I believe you're thinking of Rory McGrath", which I thought was harsh and bordered on plagiarism.
I've also noticed Alan is quick to air his dislike of some other show, esp "Mock the Week", everyone can see MtW is not an improv show, the contestants don't pretend it is. They openly check their notes before stand up rounds.
Hugh Dennis frequently uses jokes that air the same night on the 'Now Show' on R4, I assume they think the crossover of viewers/listeners will not be substantial.
I really think someone who appeared as the eponymous clown in 'Jonathan Weak' really ought not to cast stones about programmes of intellectual/ production levels of merit.
That said, I obviously love QI, and I think John Lloyd is a genius.

 
Efros
1006103.  Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:48 am Reply with quote

Just a word on Ca and its perceived softness. It's not! It's hard! It can't be cut with a knife like sodium and is almost as hard as Aluminium. I suppose it's to do with degrees, it isn't as hard as our everyday metals, and also the hardness scales aren't exactly the best.

 
Xizzzy
1006261.  Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:14 pm Reply with quote

Troux wrote:
Xizzzy wrote:
It is Rory McGrath, because he only appears on episodes C3, C6, and D4. He then never appears again in the show which follows the logic that he 'was' a regular up until he wasn't asked on the show again. John Sessions on the other hand appears as late as the J series for a total of 10 appearances. I don't think they would ask him on if they were bothered enough by this mystery guest to specifically say without naming him that he isn't asked on anymore. The other candidates from this thread don't seem to fit and are contradicted by other posts which point out how Carr can ad lib with the best of them and Jo doesn't strike me as someone who takes the quiz seriously and has fun regardless of what the question was or the answer is and entertains. Rich doesn't speak enough to make me suspect him but the idea that he might prepare for it due to cultural differences seems credible at first until you watch him in the show. He doesn't display a vast knowledge of british culture out of the blue and tends to be quiet until he like Jo, entertains the audience and other panelists. So in conclusion, the guest who demanded the questions or even asked for them to prepare beforehand is Rory. Whether this makes him insufferable or not is still up in the air since nobody appart from the people who create and host the show knows the reasons and they decided not to bring him back presumably for that reason. Which upon further reflection I suppose makes him insufferable after all.


First of all, Stephen said it was a regular, which Rory never was. Secondly, Rory is an avid birdwatcher. He ought to know what he did about the birds that he was asked about, and like many other non-regular guests, he was probably brought on for that episode in particular to flex his knowledge on his specialty subject.

Secondly, saying that Carr doesn't need preparation because he always has witty remarks is like saying that politicians don;t need speech writers because all of their speech is so eloquent and tactful. I don't doubt that he's clever, but I find it more likely that he's simply canny and competitive, and has been doing this sort of thing all along. He's simply well-prepared to offer his retorts and off-the-cuff remarks, which is a common tactic amongst comics. Look at his dapper attire, his meet-the-parents haircut and trademark off-beat decorum and tell me that's not a man that is determinedly prepared. I'd put all my money on Carr in this debate.

As for his fridge magnet letter magic...I couldn't help but notice he didn't have any Q's, X's or Z's to use there... Lucky guy?


Your theory has one major hole in it, the mystery guest was never asked on again and carr has been in every season since the beginning. Rory was regular as I pointed out in example and then cuts to nothing ever again. The alphabet magnets is a simple camera is away from him so he grabs letters he needs from his neighbor or props to produce whatever message he wanted to spell out as we don't know exactly how many they each had or could summon if necessary. Its not hard to lean to your neighbor and say "can I borrow that L".

 
Efros
1006267.  Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:39 pm Reply with quote

Problem with that is that Rory has only been on twice C3 and C6, the Rory in D4 is Rory Bremner.

 
Troux
1006271.  Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:49 pm Reply with quote

Xizzzy wrote:

Your theory has one major hole in it, the mystery guest was never asked on again and carr has been in every season since the beginning. Rory was regular as I pointed out in example and then cuts to nothing ever again. The alphabet magnets is a simple camera is away from him so he grabs letters he needs from his neighbor or props to produce whatever message he wanted to spell out as we don't know exactly how many they each had or could summon if necessary. Its not hard to lean to your neighbor and say "can I borrow that L".

Wasn't asked on again? Did I miss that part? As for sneaking some letters in...I'd think someone would make a stink about that. See above about Rory, he was only on twice and in the same season. Too bad, I loved him!

Regardless, as with Top Gear you'll always want to keep in mind: it's an entertainment show above anything else, and veracity takes a back seat.

 

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