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836834.  Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:42 pm Reply with quote

Yes or no?

More detailed POV regarding my experience follows later assuming there's any interest from the board.

btw - Please be careful about jokes regarding 'experience'.

836847.  Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:39 pm Reply with quote

Extremely distasteful, yes, but I hardly imagine "Europeans" have a monopoly on this - think of those awful child beauty pageants they have in the States (all came to light in the Jon Benét Ramsey case, but I don't think they've disappeared by any means).

836853.  Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:24 pm Reply with quote

Ooooh, dear. That's pretty creepy. D-:

836955.  Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:18 pm Reply with quote

Another angle on it here.

Good article - worth a read.

837386.  Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:57 am Reply with quote

Right, well, thing is I suspect the Europeans (and in particular the French and Belgians) are a lot less fussed about glamour shots of tots (see what I wrote there) than we are.

I went to the Île de Ré when I was about 14 and fixed to the back of one of the bedroom doors in the beach chalet thing we were staying in was a shot of what at first glance would appear to be a nekkid lady in a bath - all well and good so far but on closer inspection said lady was about 10 but professionally made-up. This was a fairly explicit nude shot mind you of an obviously pre-pubescent girl in a bath looking into the lens with that disdainful look models often give which passes in some quarters for seductive.

As I recall the chalet belonged to friends of the people I went with so there was some debate about whether it was the right thing to remove it. I checked the back of said door when we left and the image had either been put back in place or had remained there throughout, I suspect the latter. Even as a 14 year-old I felt this was all a bit weird and although I understood the dilemma I think if I'd have been the adults concerned I'd have binned this image, a page from some 'fashion' mag or other, right at the outset and worried about the implicit moral censure at a later point.

In the (often over-sensitive IMO) current UK climate regarding child pornography that images of this kind, although not quite as exploitative as the one I saw, are considered high fashion by Vogue is something I find difficult to reconcile and I wonder if anyone has, in fact, found a written justification for this rather than simply an expression of understanding as linked to by Jenny above.

It can't be a good thing to sexualise kiddies like this surely? It's not good for kids to have adult sexuality lumped on them and it's not good for those adults of limited critical capacity who are clearly being lead to believe that this is perfectly acceptable because it's a comment on fashion. Most people in the UK (AFAIK) would suggest that it isn't acceptable no matter how it's justified.

No, not even if it's meant 'ironically'.

Ion Zone
837686.  Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:14 pm Reply with quote

Happens in America too with the pageant-things. Which they are slowly exporting to England, by the way. I'd link to one but, well, just picture the girl in the link above only MORE disturbing. And, of course, the parents are highly competitive and they tart their little girls up like proper whores...

I really don't mean that figuratively. They look like mini prostitutes.


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