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Efros
1386624.  Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:34 am Reply with quote

F1 drivers also seem to maintain a ridiculously high heart rate throughout the race, averaging about 150 and peaking in the 170-180 range.

https://youtu.be/NiMIOXRUN9w?t=36

 
suze
1386625.  Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:42 am Reply with quote

Celebaelin wrote:
Presumably we all accept that peril to life and limb goes hand in hand with maneuvering machinery at high speed under competitive conditions and it is the willingness to take these particular kinds of risk (irrespective of the good sense of it) that will allow those whose instincts and abilities allow them to survive relatively unscathed to produce faster times in any given motorsport.


This seems entirely reasonable.

Formula 1 motor racing is a dangerous sport. Some proportion of those who take part in it lose their limbs and/or lives as a result. Those who know the actual numbers keep them close to their chests, but Lewis Hamilton's life assurance premium is undoubtedly rather more than is the life assurance premium for a 36 year old man from Stevenage who works in an office at GlaxoSmithKline plc. (I choose that firm because it is Stevenage's largest employer.)

But, it's not as dangerous as it used to be. Back in the 70s, it was almost routine that a report on a Grand Prix would mention the driver who was dead. By now, this is fortunately a much rarer occurrence.

So if women do indeed avoid the sport because of the inherent danger, you might imagine that women would be more willing to take part now than formerly. In fact, it is not so. No woman has even attempted to qualify for an F1 Grand Prix since 1992, and none has actually started a race since 1976.

This leads one to one of three conclusions, two of which are unbecoming. The most benign conclusion is that the number of woman drivers has been so small that it's just random that they were all a fair while ago. That might work for the mathematicians, but doesn't really seem especially likely.

If it's not that, though, are we forced to conclude that the small number of women who took part in F1 half a century ago were publicity stunts? Or is it worse than that? "Well Madam Lady Racing Driver, these here are our mechanics. A service for a service, your call."

 
Efros
1386627.  Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:23 am Reply with quote

1950s - 15 fatalities
1960s - 13 fatalities
1970s - 12 fatalities
1980s - 4 fatalities
1990s - 2 fatalities
2000s - 2 fatalities
2010s - 3 fatalities

Major change 70s-80s, really not much since then. PDR probably knows if there was major changes in the car design regs at that point but that's what I would suspect.

 
ali
1386628.  Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:27 am Reply with quote

Efros wrote:
1950s - 15 fatalities
1960s - 13 fatalities
1970s - 12 fatalities
1980s - 4 fatalities
1990s - 2 fatalities
2000s - 2 fatalities
2010s - 3 fatalities

Major change 70s-80s, really not much since then. PDR probably knows if there was major changes in the car design regs at that point but that's what I would suspect.


Not necessarily (though I don't actually know). In 1975 a requirement that driver overalls adhere to a fire safety standard was introduced, which presumably had some effect.

 
cnb
1386629.  Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:37 am Reply with quote

Efros wrote:
1950s - 15 fatalities
1960s - 13 fatalities
1970s - 12 fatalities
1980s - 4 fatalities
1990s - 2 fatalities
2000s - 2 fatalities
2010s - 3 fatalities

Major change 70s-80s, really not much since then. PDR probably knows if there was major changes in the car design regs at that point but that's what I would suspect.


You also need to take into account that there were fewer races per season in the past. In the 60s there were about 10 races per year. This year there are 23.

 
Celebaelin
1386683.  Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:04 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Celebaelin wrote:
Presumably we all accept that peril to life and limb goes hand in hand with maneuvering machinery at high speed under competitive conditions and it is the willingness to take these particular kinds of risk (irrespective of the good sense of it) that will allow those whose instincts and abilities allow them to survive relatively unscathed to produce faster times in any given motorsport.

This seems entirely reasonable.

Apart from the sentence being incomplete I guess that's so - I won't edit it but I think it needs something like '...that predisposes a given sport towards the success of male participants' before the full stop.

RLDavies wrote:
Testosterone drives competitiveness.

Is this certain, or even realistically suggested, in truth ? There is a general chicken and egg proposition although the effect might well (from a personal understanding) be more easily observed in males than females.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308993170_Effects_of_competition_outcome_on_testosterone_concentrations_in_humans_An_updated_meta-analysis

RLDavies wrote:
Both men and women have testosterone, and everybody likes to win if they can. But when you get into the zone where competition starts shading into studied recklessness, I'm willing to speculate that high levels of testosterone are needed to make anybody think it's worthwhile.

That seems to me to be likely but I'd shy away from a solid proposition to that effect given the consideration that your supposition is, as you pointed out, speculative. I'd also go so far as to say higher and relatively continually elevated levels of testosterone defy thought and 'speak' directly to reproductively driven impulses to demonstrate superior ability in any or, if possible, every given regard*.

As do the corresponding inherent female responses to equivalent stress stimuli of course (IMO & AFAIUI).

*this is not exclusively a male characteristic IMO but the nature and area of competition might not coincide in what I'll elect to call a 'gender separated' competitive circumstance.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1390204.  Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:07 am Reply with quote

Tara Westover - Educated

Meant to do so since it came out and thought I knew what was expecting me, but... whoa! On the one hand I can't put it down because it's an absolutely riveting read, on the other hand I have to put it down every couple of pages because every nightmare scenario she's lived through is worse than the last. I can't wait for her making it into uni, far away from all that.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
Awitt
1390215.  Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:46 am Reply with quote

I've just seen a review of it by someone in my FB 'serious non fiction books' and I want to read it too, but it's not high on my list at present.

 
RLDavies
1390221.  Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:55 am Reply with quote

I haven't felt well enough for the past few days to do any concentrated reading!

Poking around in search of something more leaf-through-able, I found a massive coffee-table-type book about the history and culture of the Celtic peoples all across Europe. I can't remember buying it, and I know I've never read it, but there it is. Gorgeous photos of artifacts. But I don't particularly want it, so it can be another one for the eBay pile.

 
Jenny
1390228.  Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:36 am Reply with quote

Thanks AFB - sounds good. I've just ordered a second hand copy.

 
extremophilesheep
1390272.  Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:12 am Reply with quote

DAMA-DMBOK. I really wish I was reading something else.

 
Jenny
1390297.  Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:51 am Reply with quote

Life is too short to read a book you're not enjoying, unless you have to.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1390343.  Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:15 am Reply with quote

Started Guns, Germs and Steel now after seeing so much praise heaped upon it here and... Yes, I can see how it would be fascinating, but given this is the 20th anniversary edition I do wish he had updated the first chapter. What he says about human evolution since early Homo erectus there wasn't even received wisdom anymore when he wrote it and is less so now. As it is, I wouldn't want that chapter to fall into the hands of someone who's not aware of that.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
extremophilesheep
1390607.  Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:40 am Reply with quote

Jenny wrote:
Life is too short to read a book you're not enjoying, unless you have to.


I have to. I wish I knew what it said though. But more so I wish I'd not gotten the course date wrong. I thought it was today. It was not. It was yesterday. And nobody send me a message.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1390969.  Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:34 am Reply with quote

John Kampfner - Why the Germans do it better. Notes from a grown up Country.

Needless to say, the title made my jaw drop to the floor and that motivated me to buy it. It's a mesmerising read. (Apart from the fact that it's fascinating to get a benevolent English perspective on how we tick, it's also just made me realise why my friend S****e insists on driving dreadful old jalopies against all better logic, gosh!)

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 

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