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dr bartolo
794084.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:44 am Reply with quote

I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned this, but the swedish word for island is a spectacular economy of letters

the swedish for island is:

Í

 
'yorz
794101.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:43 am Reply with quote

is Í the same as ě?

 
samivel
794108.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:11 am Reply with quote

In relation to the word for island, ě is Danish, and Í is the Swedish equivalent.

Whether that also holds true for the use of the letter as part of the alphabet, we'll have to ask Dr suze.

 
dr bartolo
794116.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:51 am Reply with quote

I can tell you in advance, and say yes, but in danish it's use is most often confined to "old"things , for Í was used before ě, so the former is used to convey a sort of "old timey-ness"

( this I obtained from my scandinavia trip- not exactly accurate)

 
suze
794133.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:17 pm Reply with quote

Yes, they are equivalent.

Danish and Norwegian use <ě>, German, Swedish, and various other languages use <Í>, and Faroese isn't entirely sure (the modern preference is for <ě>, but some older people use <Í> instead).

The bridge from Denmark to Sweden crosses a body of water which Danes call the ěresund and Swedes the Íresund. To avoid upsetting either nation, a composite letter (i.e. ě with an omljud) is used in some signage for the bridge - although it's a right pain in the ass for them because none of the standard fonts contain that composite letter).

 
samivel
794149.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:59 pm Reply with quote

I thought that was why they call the thing ěresundsbron, so that both languages get a look in without making up impossible-to-type letters.

In Danish, the bridge would be ěresundsbroen, while its Swedish name is Íresundsbron.

Or they could have given it a Norwegian name, I suppose. Just for fun.


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Dix
794159.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:37 pm Reply with quote

It is indeed ěresundsbron for exactly the reasons samviel gives.

http://uk.oresundsbron.com/page/1892

Similarly economical, the Danish for a small river is: ň.
The ┼ character is quite recent in Danish. It was introduced in 1948 to replace the previously used "letter" aa after a quite heated debate about it being a "swedification" of the language. At the same time the alphabetical entries were shuffled around, ň being now the last letter of the alphabet.

 
Efros
794162.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:43 pm Reply with quote

It'd be a bloody small river for scientists.

 
CB27
794167.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:07 pm Reply with quote

Speaking of the ěresundsbron, where did it go? :)

 
suze
794177.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:09 pm Reply with quote

This is the logo to which I referred, said to be on some signage:

 
mckeonj
794178.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:12 pm Reply with quote

Is Iceland an island or an ice-land?

 
Dix
794179.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:27 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
This is the logo to which I referred, said to be on some signage:



I don't recall ever seeing that one, despite living in Copenhagen until quite recently. It could be a distance or section marker used on the bridge itself (going on the 00-10 in the lower section).



And mckeonj, it's clearly an ice-land - they make a point of always saying in Iceland , not on Iceland.

 
suze
794190.  Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:25 pm Reply with quote

Yup, the Icelandic for "ice" is Ýs; the word for "island" is eyja (yes, it's the first element of the name of That Volcano).

Apparently, Icelanders pronounce ═sland as "East-lant" - not quite sure where that /t/ in the middle came from, but Icelandic is nearly as non-phonetic as English.

 
sjb
794347.  Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:12 am Reply with quote

CB27 wrote:
Speaking of the ěresundsbron, where did it go? :)


I rode the train from Copenhagen to Malm÷ and back, and it was ridiculously fun. Well, just the bit where you go underwater. The rest of the journey was rather a nightmare, but that's better saved for the Venting Thread.

I'd love to go back on the ěresundsbron, but that would involve going back to Copenhagen. Not my favorite place in the world. Meh.

 
CB27
794379.  Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:23 pm Reply with quote

You mean Copenhagen's not wonderful?

You don't think it's a friendly old girl of a town? Or did you find it a salty old queen of the sea?

 

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