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725203.  Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:22 pm Reply with quote

Well, as the lungs are supposed to be inside the ribcage, if they were showing I'd be a bit worried ;)

725237.  Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:25 pm Reply with quote

What's more, if you consider severely emaciated people such as victims of the African famines, their bones and stomachs do stick out somewhat.

Spud McLaren
725362.  Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:04 am Reply with quote

Why is this thread in F Series Talk rather than I Series Talk?

725453.  Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:35 am Reply with quote

Good point - I'll move it...

725475.  Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:53 am Reply with quote

Some of us are quite vague about the location of our internal organs. I do know where my heart is, tucked safely in between my lungs and behind my sternum, which is at the front of my chest.
There was a story some time ago about a truly dumb woman who hired a couple of truly dumb criminals to murder her husband. They intended to shoot him through the heart as he slept, and shot him in the shoulder, because that's where the hand was placed when making the loyal oath at school.
The victim slumbered peacefully on, unaware of his wound.

725489.  Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:42 pm Reply with quote

You'd have to be a rather sound sleeper not to notice getting shot, even through the shoulder.

Spud McLaren
728057.  Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:08 pm Reply with quote

Nellie the Elephant

Yes, this is (just) relevant to an "internal organs" thread...

The rhythm and tempo of this song mean that it is often used to teach people the rhythm of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). The recommended rate for CPR is 100 chest compressions per minute. A study at Coventry University compared the effectiveness of this song in maintaining this rhythm with alternatives of That's the Way (I Like It) and no song at all. The version used for the study was by Little Bear which was found to have a tempo of 105 beats per minute. Singing the chorus of the song twice, with a compression on each beat, results in exactly 30 compressions, which is the international standard for CPR.

The use of Nellie resulted in correct timing for 42 out of 130 cases, as compared with 15 for no music and just 12 for That's the Way. However, the depth of compression was found to be inadequate in most of those cases and the use of Nellie was found to increase this slightly, as compared with the use of no music (56% too shallow with Nellie and 47% without).

728061.  Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:26 pm Reply with quote

I'd previously heard of using Nellie for CPR tempo, but that study interested me, so I had a look for it, and found something else. Apparently it's also common to use the Bee Gees song Staying Alive, as that has 103bpm, and it's kind of appropriate.

Spud McLaren
728062.  Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:30 pm Reply with quote

Rather more appropriate than That's the Way (I Like It), that's for sure. Imagine the scene - someone collapses, and you turn up, roll up your sleeves, clear your throat, and...

728063.  Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:32 pm Reply with quote

"Another One Bites the Dust" is another CPR song. Best not sing it out loud if there are relatives around.

728066.  Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:34 pm Reply with quote

The Elves did actually look at this when G Series was being written, and discovered that a study conducted at the University of Illinois had identified Stayin' Alive as the best tune to use for the purpose.

One of the team noted that the Queen song Another one bites the dust also has 103 bpm and would work equally as well, but for some reason it was seen as inappropriate for purpose ...

EDIT: Ms Moon has been reading the same article I have!

728070.  Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:53 pm Reply with quote

We are of one mind, suze. I actually learned that from a friend of mine who is a paramedic, so it seems to be true that at least some people use it in practice.

Spud McLaren
728071.  Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:59 pm Reply with quote

Would've thought that there was a temptation to skip every fourth pulse if you used Another One Bites The Dust, though...

728477.  Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:39 am Reply with quote

suze wrote:
The Elves did actually look at this when G Series was being written, and discovered that a study conducted at the University of Illinois had identified Stayin' Alive as the best tune to use for the purpose.

Presumably not this version though?

gerontius grumpus
730297.  Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:27 pm Reply with quote

Nellie the elephant and staying alive ceased to be relevant, even before the QI episode was aired. The rules for CPR get reviewed and updated from time to time and a few years ago, the number of compressions was doubled.

Anyway, on the subject of internal organs, in the male abdomen more of the fat is inside the abdominal cavity, around the internal organs. In a female abdomen most of the fat is subcutaneous. This is quite apparent in abdominal CT scans.


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