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RLDavies
723039.  Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:57 am Reply with quote

Sounds a bit like Mary Quant and the mini-skirt. She didn't invent the idea, but was instrumental in popularising it.

Although in Hetherington's case he seems to have done the opposite of popularising.

 
Flash
723063.  Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:05 am Reply with quote

CB27 - we tried to track that top hat story down to a good source for the series just recorded (H being for Hats), but we couldn't find one. Where do you reckon that account comes from originally?

It doesn't look very probable, on the face of it, but that doesn't make it wrong.

 
CB27
723071.  Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:03 am Reply with quote

From looking around the first mention seems to be in "Notes and Queries" from a report in 1899 called "THE FIRST SILK HAT IN LONDON". They'll probably have a copy online, and if suze isn't a member she might know someone who is who might be able to get a copy (I understand it's on page 325?). There are other publications from that year with the same story.

In 1927 it was reported in the Dearborn Independent as having been reported in "Hatters' Gazzette" from January 16 1797. Not suer if the British Library might be able to provide a copy, I know the magazine existed, but not sure if it was around at that time or not.

Link to Dearborn Inrependent (top right)

The story was repeated within weeks in "The Canberra Times".

As for the bylaw itself, that needs searching...

 
Flash
723161.  Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:47 pm Reply with quote

Thanks. We found the 1899 source, but didn't fancy it much as

1) it was 100 years after the event, and

2) there are records of the top hat being worn in the early 1790s, 4 or 5 years before this is supposed to have happened.

I don't think we heard of this Hatters' Gazette source before now, though, so maybe that's the route to follow.

 
CB27
723490.  Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:20 pm Reply with quote

I'm sure he didn't invent the Top Hat, I'm just curious about the story of him being arrested for wearing one and that different stories have him as a haberdasher or a tailor.

Henry Hetherington had a father called John who was a tailor in London, and Henry was born in 1792, which would make his father about the right age for this character. Considering Henry's writings in later years I wonder whether this story might have come about as a story of "irony" or perhaps even an attempt at a smear.

 
CB27
787812.  Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:18 am Reply with quote

Resurrecting an old thread and changing directions slightly, I was thinking about how some people's "identities" are mostly known through association with places and events.

One such person is Wilmer McLean, who was the owner of McLean House in 1865 when General Robert E. Lee surrendered to General Ulysses S. Grant in the parlour. The house was also used over the next few days as a meeting place for the Surrender Commission.

Though this site is preserved and widely celebrated, this is not the only property owned by Wilmer McLean which had such importance for the war.

Several years earlier, in 1861, Wilmer and his family were living 120 miles north of McLean House, in Manassas, when the battle of Fort Sumter took place.

Though this battle is recognised as the first battle of the war, it was merely a skirmish, and the only two recorded deaths occured after the battle, during the 100-gun salute to the U.S. flag some cartidges blew up and killed two soldiers.

Reactions to the battle of Fort Sumter led to the first recognised major land battle of the war, and an attempt by the Union Army, led by McDowell, to attack the Confederate Army, led by Beauregard.

Beauregard made his headquarters at the Yorkshier Plantation, which was owned by Wilmer McLean, and was actually having breakfast with the McLean family when they were shelled, including one canonball that fell directly through the kitchen fireplace, ruining their meal.

No surprise that McLean decided to move home not long after, hoping to escape the war, little did he know his new one would be involved too. He was attributed as saying "The war began in my front yard and ended in my front parlor".

 
CB27
787834.  Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:04 am Reply with quote

I was also going to mention Richard Parker, but he's been mentioned elsewhere on this site.

 

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