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Posital
723257.  Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:28 am Reply with quote

Thought I'd share (not sure why): http://smokesignals-ellumbra.blogspot.com/2010/01/hunting-of-sarc-mark.html

What is a Sarc Mark?

Well. A Sarc Mark is a silly bird with scarcely any mind. Which often runs so very fast it leaves itself behind... and when it gets there has to wait and hang around all night. Without a blessed thing to do until it comes in sight...

 
zomgmouse
723301.  Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:38 am Reply with quote

Sadurian Mike wrote:
I know what irony means.

It means "like iron".

(Courtesy of Mr Pratchett).

Alternatively: "it's like goldy or bronzey, only it's made of iron" - Baldrick.

Ironically, when Blackadder asked "do you know what irony means?", he asked it after he used sarcasm, not irony.

 
tetsabb
723411.  Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:21 am Reply with quote

Quote:
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife

I know it would have been difficult with rhymes and rhythm and so forth, but would it not have been funnier if it had been 'boyfriend' instead of 'wife'?

 
mckeonj
723414.  Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:32 am Reply with quote

I much prefer infamy over irony, especially when enunciated by Kenneth Williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw

 
Ion Zone
723487.  Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:12 pm Reply with quote

Quote:
Robert McKee in Story describes the three possible permutations of knowledge under these headings:


Robert McKee is a prat if he thinks there are only three! It's a sad fact that even people who should know better will try and tell you there are only a set number of ways of doing things.

 
Efros
723499.  Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:30 pm Reply with quote

McKee is one of those teachers who teaches 'cos he cannot do. He has never had a screenplay made into a film, no mean achievement for someone who teaches how to write a screenplay.

 
Flash
723510.  Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:41 pm Reply with quote

OK, but read this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2009/04/robert_mckee_the_new_aristotle.html

 
RLDavies
723595.  Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:01 am Reply with quote

Ion Zone wrote:
Quote:
Robert McKee in Story describes the three possible permutations of knowledge under these headings:

Robert McKee is a prat if he thinks there are only three! It's a sad fact that even people who should know better will try and tell you there are only a set number of ways of doing things.

As long as we're keeping the actors limited to "characters" and "audience", and the possible states either "knowing" or "not knowing" a particular fact, there can be only three basic permutations. (Or four, if you count "both know" and "both don't know" as different, but in this context the sameness is more important than whether it's a sameness of knowledge or ignorance.)

There are many more subtle shades -- some characters know what others don't, the possibility of partially knowing a fact -- but practically speaking, spreading the situation into an infinitely graded spectrum is no help to a writer.

McKee has his own individual theories, which means he has supporters and detractors. I don't agree with everything he says, but his book has been a powerful eye-opener and help to me.

 
Jenny
723675.  Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:55 am Reply with quote

Flash wrote:
OK, but read this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2009/04/robert_mckee_the_new_aristotle.html


That was really interesting - thanks Flash.

 
Stefan Linnemann
725838.  Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:43 am Reply with quote

Jenny wrote:
Flash wrote:
OK, but read this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2009/04/robert_mckee_the_new_aristotle.html


That was really interesting - thanks Flash.


And, as such, not appropriate for QI?

;-P

Stefan.

 
Hydra-Lernae
729720.  Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:25 pm Reply with quote

tetsabb wrote:
Quote:
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife

I know it would have been difficult with rhymes and rhythm and so forth, but would it not have been funnier if it had been 'boyfriend' instead of 'wife'?


Might have been funnier, but still not ironic. As Ed Byrne said: The only thing ironic about that song is that it's written by a woman who doesn't know what irony is. None of the examples in that song is an instance of irony!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg

 
Flash
729762.  Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:42 am Reply with quote

Alanis Morissette:
Quote:
For me the sweetest moment came in New York when a woman came up to me in a record store and said, 'So all those things in the "Ironic" aren't ironic.' And then she said, 'And that's the irony.' I said, 'Yup.'

 
Bondee
729854.  Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:29 am Reply with quote

Hydra-Lernae wrote:
Might have been funnier, but still not ironic. As Ed Byrne said: The only thing ironic about that song is that it's written by a woman who doesn't know what irony is. None of the examples in that song is an instance of irony!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg


<ahem>

 
MagnitudeZero
854676.  Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am Reply with quote

Well, sorry for the old bump, and the poor news source.

But I did find this rather ironic.

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/news/iranian-actress-sentenced-to-90-lashes-for-film-role.html

 
Pangerio
1061830.  Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:44 am Reply with quote

In George Orwell square in Barcelona, there is a sign warning people that the area is being monitored by CCTV cameras.

 

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