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RLDavies
723595.  Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:01 am Reply with quote

Ion Zone wrote:
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Robert McKee in Story describes the three possible permutations of knowledge under these headings:

Robert McKee is a prat if he thinks there are only three! It's a sad fact that even people who should know better will try and tell you there are only a set number of ways of doing things.

As long as we're keeping the actors limited to "characters" and "audience", and the possible states either "knowing" or "not knowing" a particular fact, there can be only three basic permutations. (Or four, if you count "both know" and "both don't know" as different, but in this context the sameness is more important than whether it's a sameness of knowledge or ignorance.)

There are many more subtle shades -- some characters know what others don't, the possibility of partially knowing a fact -- but practically speaking, spreading the situation into an infinitely graded spectrum is no help to a writer.

McKee has his own individual theories, which means he has supporters and detractors. I don't agree with everything he says, but his book has been a powerful eye-opener and help to me.

 
Jenny
723675.  Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:55 am Reply with quote

Flash wrote:
OK, but read this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2009/04/robert_mckee_the_new_aristotle.html


That was really interesting - thanks Flash.

 
Stefan Linnemann
725838.  Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:43 am Reply with quote

Jenny wrote:
Flash wrote:
OK, but read this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2009/04/robert_mckee_the_new_aristotle.html


That was really interesting - thanks Flash.


And, as such, not appropriate for QI?

;-P

Stefan.

 
Hydra-Lernae
729720.  Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:25 pm Reply with quote

tetsabb wrote:
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It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife

I know it would have been difficult with rhymes and rhythm and so forth, but would it not have been funnier if it had been 'boyfriend' instead of 'wife'?


Might have been funnier, but still not ironic. As Ed Byrne said: The only thing ironic about that song is that it's written by a woman who doesn't know what irony is. None of the examples in that song is an instance of irony!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg

 
Flash
729762.  Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:42 am Reply with quote

Alanis Morissette:
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For me the sweetest moment came in New York when a woman came up to me in a record store and said, 'So all those things in the "Ironic" aren't ironic.' And then she said, 'And that's the irony.' I said, 'Yup.'

 
Bondee
729854.  Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:29 am Reply with quote

Hydra-Lernae wrote:
Might have been funnier, but still not ironic. As Ed Byrne said: The only thing ironic about that song is that it's written by a woman who doesn't know what irony is. None of the examples in that song is an instance of irony!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg


<ahem>

 
MagnitudeZero
854676.  Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:33 am Reply with quote

Well, sorry for the old bump, and the poor news source.

But I did find this rather ironic.

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/news/iranian-actress-sentenced-to-90-lashes-for-film-role.html

 
Pangerio
1061830.  Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:44 am Reply with quote

In George Orwell square in Barcelona, there is a sign warning people that the area is being monitored by CCTV cameras.

 

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