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29873.  Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:02 am Reply with quote

Fauves were those who favoured Fauvism. 'Fauvists' (following Impressionists, Cubists, etc. is unnecessary if not inaccurate.)

29875.  Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:06 am Reply with quote

Common usage, though.

29876.  Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:08 am Reply with quote


29973.  Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:19 pm Reply with quote

Fair point, Jeremy.

You're quite right that 'Fauvist' is unnecessarily overcomplicated rather like saying 'an ATM machine' or 'a PIN number' it contains an implicit tautology.

Is there a word for that, I wonder?

However, if you're going to be really pedantic (and I am) Fauvism is the name given to the movement started by the 'fauves', not the other way around.

The group of artists were derisively nicknamed fauves (French for 'wild beasts', after their racy style) and, most famously, included Matisse, Derain, Vlaminck and Dufy.

They didn't 'favour Fauvism' because they wouldn't have called themselves 'fauves' to start with. The people predated the movement, and the naming of it. The fact that lots of people (perhaps even most of those who have even heard of Fauvism) today know them as 'Fauvists' is something they probably wouldn't have agreed with either.

But, as I say, it's a good point and I see what you mean.

And I've learned something.

Frederick The Monk
30320.  Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:30 pm Reply with quote

JumpingJack wrote:
....... Is there a word for that, I wonder?

Feedback in New Scientist calls it 'Redundant Acronym Syndrome' or RAS.

30350.  Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:07 pm Reply with quote

Thank you, Blessed Fred.

Applying the same rule, I suppose it should be called "RAS syndrome".

Frederick The Monk
30353.  Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:16 pm Reply with quote

That's spooky. It says on this here machine that you posted that last comment on 10th November - which is tomorrow. Is this how you keep ahead of the game Jack - by altering the very fabric of space-time itself?

Can anyone do it?

Frederick The Monk
30359.  Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:27 pm Reply with quote

Wait a minute - according to that last post I can do it too! I'm posting into tomorrow. There has to be a tax advantage to this.

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30360.  Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:29 pm Reply with quote

Sadly, it's only because Gray hasn't turned the clock back for us...

30366.  Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:39 pm Reply with quote

I noticed that a while ago, come on guys, keep up!

Mostly Harmless
30992.  Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:00 am Reply with quote


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30995.  Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:12 am Reply with quote

Great poem, Mostly.

I think there's a QI Poetry thread somewhere. 'Fauve' deserves a place on it.


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