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mcgrew
682896.  Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:46 pm Reply with quote

While most people think of the Grail as a cup or chalice (and it is most often represented popularly as one), the root latin word "gradalis" means a dish, as in a serving dish (or maybe a bowl.)

The basis for the legendary powers of the Grail may come from the celtic legend of Bran the Blessed (put up picture of Brian Blessed from "Flash Gordon", perhaps? :-), whose cauldron had the power to restore life. The 'crossover' seems to have happened in the 12th century, when the story of Joseph of Arimethea receiving the Grail from Jesus first appeared. The catching of Jesus' blood story comes later still, in the early 13th.

The 20th century authors of 'holy blood holy grail' seized upon the word separation of "san graal" (holy grail - old French) and "sang raal" (holy blood) as a basis for their daughter-of-jesus story, which was itself seized upon by Dan Brown for the basis for his empire of the davinci code, may it rot in landfills everywhere.

There are several relics that still exist that claim to be the Holy Grail. Saint Mary of Valencia Cathedral (Spain), the monstery of San Juan de la Pena (Spain) has one, Genoa (Italy) has an "emerald chalice" that is claimed to be the Grail (although the 'emeralds' have been discovered to be mere green glass.) Also Montserrat (Spain), Rosslyn (Scotland), Glastonbury Tor (England), even Nova Scotia (Canada) and Minnesota (US) have been claimed to have the 'real Grail'.

and yes, there's the whole "Fisher King" thing (put up a picture of Robin Williams) thing from Perceval, but everybody knows that, and its not so interesting.

 
Posital
682910.  Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:40 pm Reply with quote

We know that Bran's cauldron is still buried under the white tower in the tower of London - as the ravens are still there...

Or was it his head...??

 
britishsm
682913.  Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:48 pm Reply with quote

re: Holy Blood Holy Grail

I think it was more an attempt by some people, who clearly spoke no French, to try and say .. "Son Grail" (The Grail) sounds like / was mis-translated from "Sangue Real" (Royal Blood) ...

I actually enjoyed Dan Browns book and think he's a very talented story-teller, it's not prose but then it never pretends to be ... and its a lot better then the ill conceived unintelligent gibberish of Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln, which they have the nerve to try and pass off as academic and well researched and perfectly feasible (if one forgives the fact that their initial premise is false and nonsense!) ... *rolls eyes*.


B.

 
britishsm
682915.  Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:53 pm Reply with quote

Posital wrote:
We know that Bran's cauldron is still buried under the white tower in the tower of London - as the ravens are still there...

Or was it his head...??


Yeah his head .. in "Gwynfryn" - "The White Hill" which is supposed to be where The Tower is now built ..

B.

 
soup
682926.  Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:30 pm Reply with quote

Here was me thinking the holy grail was under the apprentice pillar in Rosllyn chapel. Step aside Mr Brown soup is on the case.

 
Zebra57
683021.  Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:55 pm Reply with quote

The site of the White Tower is indeed the reputed burial site of Bran's Head. Bran was the Crow God of the Celts. The Tower of London ravens are said to be all that remains of the worship of the Sacred Head.

As long as Bran's Head is buried there, Britain would always be safe from invaders. Legend says that King Arthur removed the Head against the advice of Merlin. As a result the Saxons invaded and seized London.

 
Celebaelin
683030.  Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:37 pm Reply with quote

We have quite a lengthy (well, three pages plus a lot of links) Grail, Holy thread in the G Series forum! It starts here post 427415

 
mcgrew
683049.  Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:53 pm Reply with quote

Celebaelin wrote:
We have quite a lengthy (well, three pages plus a lot of links) Grail, Holy thread in the G Series forum! It starts here post 427415


Jumping, that's bit, a ahead, too it, isn't?
:-)

... on the letter, that is.

 
Celebaelin
683052.  Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:19 am Reply with quote

Hey, I didn't start the thread! ; )

 
Ian Dunn
683066.  Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:23 am Reply with quote

If anyone wishes to see the Holy Grail, they can do as it is an exhibit at The Museum of Curiosity (donated by Kate Adie). For those wishing to visit the museum, they can find it somewhere in Epping Forest, guarded by Don Quixote.

 
hassan el kebir
683112.  Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:02 am Reply with quote

Quote:
re: Holy Blood Holy Grail


I hope the Mods will allow me to plug my modest offering on this subject.

http://www.summersdale.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=238&products_id=883&osCsid=27kr1qfk9dfnagsus5fksjhcd3

I have the dubious pleasure of being the son of one of the authors of HBHG and the above title is (in part) my explanation of why this whole story is complete and utter bunkum.

HBHG is very much a book of its time. It appeared on the market after 'Who Moved the Stone' and whatever that book was about 'god' being a magic mushroom. It came at a time when people wanted to hear that Jesus wasn't a fairy tale and had really existed.

The whole theory put forward by the book is based on fiction and you can't really weave fiction into fact, fact into fiction, yes, as the late, great George Macdonald Fraser showed, but not the other way around. The two parchments that the priest supposedly discovered and from which the whole story spews forth were released to our doughty researchers by the Priory of Sion, an organisation that has been shown to have been created by a gentleman of questionable honesty, in France in the middle of the last century. These parchments have never been seen by anyone and nobody knows where they are yet, as with all religions, a leap of faith is demanded so the story may continue and the parchments are Rennes' leap of faith. Nobody questions, they all blindly accept.

Unfortunately, if you decide the parchments do exist and there is a great mystery waiting to be unveiled you have already started taking yourself down the long, rubbish-strewn path of complete and utter ignorance.

Then there is the bestowing of significance to minutiae again, without giving any thought to it. Make a statement with enough gravitas and portent and there you go, the public accepts but never questions.

Hmmm, I could ramble on for pages about this idiocy so maybe I’d better stop before I get too carried away.

One thing that has pleased me, however, is just how angry the Rennies seem to be with me for daring to suggest that their story might be nothing more than hokum. It has been very satisfying to have created quite such a reaction, my absolute fave is an Amazon reviewer who feels my book is ‘lacking in intellectual content of any kind.’ I have printed that one off, laminated it and hung it above my loo so I can read it and grin as I pee.

 
Jenny
683421.  Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:32 pm Reply with quote

hassan el kebir wrote:
These parchments have never been seen by anyone and nobody knows where they are yet, as with all religions, a leap of faith is demanded so the story may continue and the parchments are Rennes' leap of faith. Nobody questions, they all blindly accept.


I'll let you get away with the plug as it is so very relevant to the thread and may well be of interest to readers of this forum. Thanks for sharing it with us.

I picked out your quote above because it reminded me so much of a certain American group with unwavering faith in the existence of golden tablets engraved with a previously unknown book of the Bible, that disappeared in equally mysterious fashion.

 
Lukecash
683443.  Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:43 am Reply with quote

Jenny wrote:
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I picked out your quote above because it reminded me so much of a certain American group with unwavering faith in the existence of golden tablets engraved with a previously unknown book of the Bible, that disappeared in equally mysterious fashion.


Star Wars fans?

Actually there is something Quite Interesting about that particular group, I should actually share in a more appropriate thread....*he says mysteriously, but has only had 3 hrs of sleep in the last 24

 
hassan el kebir
683445.  Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:50 am Reply with quote

Thanks Jenny, I won't do it again.....well, I might when I get this next one written ;-)

 
Neal Shepperson
743106.  Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:19 am Reply with quote

Ugghhh... i dont belive your discussing the Arthur leg-end like it might be minutely true. Its probably a mutation of the irish story of Finn macCool thats been filtered via national pride and self interest (the French having him Cuckolded by a french knight - the church placing him at Glastonbury when their pilgrimage spot the oldest wooden church in england burnt down for instance). Its so wrapped up in mythology and spin you cant take it seriously.

 

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