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Ian Dunn
669337.  Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:14 pm Reply with quote

Zebra57 wrote:
Does God Save the Queen have any "official" status and if so exactly where?


Well, one thing is for sure, and it is that God Save the Queen is not England's national anthem. England does not have a national anthem.

 
suze
669384.  Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:38 pm Reply with quote

Zebra57 wrote:
Does God Save the Queen have any "official" status and if so exactly where?


Yes. It is the national anthem of the United Kingdom and of its territories and dependencies. It is also one of two national anthems of Guernsey (jointly with Sarnia Cherie), of Jersey (jointly with Ma Normandie, which is not about Jersey), and of New Zealand (jointly with God defend New Zealand / E ihowa atua). Since 2003, it has not been the national anthem of the Isle of Man.

Apparently it is also the national anthem of Norfolk Island, although this puzzles me. Norfolk Island is a dependency of Australia, so why the national anthem isn't Advance Australia fair I don't know. In any case, the Norfuk actually prefer Come ye blessed (based on Matthew's Gospel) which is also the national anthem of the Pitcairn Islands.

God save the Queen is also the Queen's personal anthem outwith the United Kingdom, so it is performed when she is present in the other countries of which she is Queen (Canada, Australia, and so on).


As for Mae hen wlad fy nhadau, it is not recognised in statute as the national anthem of Wales - but the government of Wales and the royal family both accept its use as such, so it may as well be.

Scotland similarly has no national anthem de jure, and there's no consensus as to what should be regarded as it - at least four songs have been suggested. The Scottish Parliament does have the power to declare one, but as yet has not exercised that power; possibly it plans to wait until 2017 when Flower of Scotland will come out of copyright. At this year's Commonwealth Games, Flower of Scotland will be used. Previously it has been Scotland the Brave since 1958 and Scots wha hae before that.

Northern Ireland has no national anthem of its own; officially it is God save the Queen. At the Commonwealth Games it uses Derry / Londonderry Air (i.e. Danny Boy, but without the words).

The American computer games company Electronic Arts caused a bit of a diplomatic incident a couple years back - in its UEFA Euro 2008 game, the Northern Ireland team comes out to Amhrán na bhFiann. There's a games company in Belfast which says that when it brings out its football game, the USA's team will come out to O Canada ...!

 
Zebra57
669392.  Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:00 pm Reply with quote

"God Save the Queen" is the national anthem of the United Kingdom. Like many aspects of British constitutional life, its official status derives from custom and use, not from Royal Proclamation or Act of Parliament. (Wiki: National Anthem)

If its "official" status derives from custom and use then England could perhaps start to develop an anthem. Land of Hope and Glory is used at the Commonwealth Games any suggestions?

 
Moosh
669395.  Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:13 pm Reply with quote

I think if you want a national anthem for England that really captures the national spirit it'd have to be Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now by The Smiths. Come on everyone!

I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour...

 
Ian Dunn
669441.  Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:24 am Reply with quote

Moosh wrote:
I think if you want a national anthem for England that really captures the national spirit it'd have to be Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now by The Smiths. Come on everyone!

I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour...


Or there is Bill Bailey's own prefered versions, such as "God Save the Queen" played in a jazz style, or "Zippity Do Da" performed in the style of Portishead.

 
soup
669442.  Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:45 am Reply with quote

Or Billy Connoly's upbeat version.

♫Rumpty tiddly...♫

 
tetsabb
669465.  Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:49 am Reply with quote

Thank you soup, I had forgotten that piece of Connolly genius.

<<wipes tears from eyes

 
Jenny
669729.  Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:42 pm Reply with quote

Thanks soup - Connolly always has me creased up with laughter.

 
mckeonj
669774.  Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:38 pm Reply with quote

When I was a schoolboy, umpty three years ago, a jolly jape was to get someone to sing the Siamese national anthem.
(to the tune of the British one)
Oh wa ta na Siam
Oh wa ta na Siam
Aa aa Siam.

 
Michael Young
734170.  Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:34 pm Reply with quote

Parts of Trelawney - The Song of the Western Man sound remarkably similar to The Grand Old Duke of York.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMJYzyty2Z8


As for the unofficial unofficial Cornish anthem... well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nN9I_7djgo

 
Spud McLaren
734189.  Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:45 pm Reply with quote

mckeonj wrote:
When I was a schoolboy, umpty three years ago, a jolly jape was to get someone to sing the Siamese national anthem.
(to the tune of the British one)
Oh wa ta na Siam
Oh wa ta na Siam
Aa aa Siam.
Full version:

Oh wah ta na Siam
Oh wah ta na Siam
Oh wah ta tuit
Ah wah ta fu lamai
Ah wah ta fu lamai
Oh wah ta na Siam
Aa-anoo tahsh itt.

 
Schlubalybub
735632.  Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:03 pm Reply with quote

The Welsh Anthem must be sung by a man. It's the wrong sort of song to have a professional woman to sing it- so Bryn Terfyl not Katherine Jenkins please

Just my thoughts...

 
Efros
735691.  Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:30 pm Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEYmJjcYwGg

 
Michael Young
735885.  Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:37 pm Reply with quote

Schlubalybub wrote:
The Welsh Anthem must be sung by a man. It's the wrong sort of song to have a professional woman to sing it- so Bryn Terfyl not Katherine Jenkins please

Just my thoughts...


I remember once they had a piano on the pitch for a Wales game. No thank you. Brass band and a male voice choir please.

 
Zebra57
736004.  Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:16 am Reply with quote

John Redwood attempting to mime the Welsh National Anthem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIwBvjoLyZc

 

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