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Zebra57
658065.  Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:43 pm Reply with quote

QI is Cuba which has existed in Uncle Sam's backyard following a radically different path to its neighbour.

Some comments on Cuba have already appeared in the SMOM posting.

It would be QI to speculate how US-Cuban relations will develop in the future.

 
gruff5
658116.  Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:45 am Reply with quote

Cuba and the other Caribbean islands (incl. Haiti) have similar resources and climate. I find it QI how much better than the other islands Cuba manages everything, despite the US blockade.

 
Zebra57
664330.  Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:49 am Reply with quote

There is some QI related material on Cuba posted on the SMOM site.

 
CB27
664544.  Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:00 pm Reply with quote

You have to remember that Cuba did enjoy a very capitalist past, and that after the takover of Castro they did receive a lot of financial and other aid from the USSR, some of which was spent well, some not.

 
Zebra57
664561.  Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:43 pm Reply with quote

One can speculate that if the USA lifts its restrictions on Cuba how much longer will Havana have its 1950s cars before the invasion of more modern examples?

 
BondiTram
664627.  Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:55 am Reply with quote

Zebra57 wrote:
One can speculate that if the USA lifts its restrictions on Cuba how much longer will Havana have its 1950s cars before the invasion of more modern examples?


Not only in Cuba. I remember going to town on shore leave one night in Rio Grande do Sul (Brazil). The port was a good way from the town along an unlit road and so we took a taxi. This was the '60s and the car was around 20 years old. All of a sudden the lights went out and we were rolling along in complete darkness. The driver, visible only by the light of our cigarettes, dived below the dash, and emerged after a few seconds fiddling with some wires to continue without once taking his foot from the accelerater.

 
gruff5
664908.  Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:53 pm Reply with quote

CB27 wrote:
You have to remember that Cuba did enjoy a very capitalist past, and that after the takover of Castro they did receive a lot of financial and other aid from the USSR, some of which was spent well, some not.

OK, but in fact I regard Cuba's most impressive achievements were made during the "special period" after the collapse of the USSR and the shut-off of the cheap oil tap and exports of sugar to USSR.

Then the country was severely tested and did some remarkable things. They are currently rated by the UN as the most sustainably developed country in the world. Due to removal of oil (fuel, pesticides, fertilizer) Havana alone now grows 90% of its (organic) food within its city limits - that's just one example.

 
Zebra57
671662.  Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:03 pm Reply with quote

Was the status of Ernst Thalmann Island ever resolved? (as raised in the East Germany area)

 
scottydog
671715.  Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:11 am Reply with quote

I was in Cuba for 6 weeks about 7 years ago and thought the place was at once enchanting, inspiring and spoiled.

It was shortly before Castro's health began to deteriorate and the dual currency was in operation, which helped the country deal with the loss of the fantastacally unrealistic oil for sugar swapping, oh, and a few warheads.

I found the people of Cuba split. many of the older generation had experienced the revolution and were pround and stoic about the regime, whilst the younger folk were far more western in their views. These people wanted change, based a great deal on the American dream which is thrust at them. Interestingly, when I first gave a young guy (barman) a tip of 10 US Dollars he went away to split that with a bunch of friends. I heard later that one of the reasons that the dual currency was ditched was that people were beginning to accumulate individual wealth - I saw no evidence of that but I was only there a short time and contacted very few people.

Castro's brother is said to be far more left wing than Castro himself, which could retain the socialist party but I wonder how much of the success is down to the charisma of Castro (see Marx on charismatic leadership). Without Castro at the helm there is a real risk that the young could demand the end of the regime.

One final thing, when travelling around Cuba, there was a real sense of paranoia which spoiled things for me. I know it's understandable given that there have been so many alleged attempts on Castro's life but it does (or did) take a bit of an edge off the free travelling.

In the times of Obama and the issues in the East, my thoughts are that any change in the Cuban Regine will come from internal rather than external motives.

 
Timetrvlr
674636.  Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:54 pm Reply with quote

It's easy to criticize some of the abuses of power in Cuba but there are also many things to admire. Cuba, unlike all of it's Caribbean neighbours, has a very well educated population. That's because education is free through post-graduate level and every child is encouraged to take advantage of it. The other thing I really admire is their comprehensive and universal health care system so they also have a healthy population.

I notice that any positive news about Cuba is ignored or suppressed by the North American media. We found out through European media sources that Cuba was the first to respond with Doctors and field hospitals to the earthquake victims in Haiti. Cuba supplies Engineers and Doctors to many other nations in need as well but we never hear of it.

 
scottydog
674994.  Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:05 am Reply with quote

I also remember being told by a doctor in Cuba that they have some kind of reciprocal medical training agreement with Potrugal, and given that Portugal is the UK's oldest alliance and we traditionally have reciprocal medical rights, the UK must gain something too.

 
Jenny
675426.  Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:59 pm Reply with quote

Cuba is also a leading light in matters of organic crop-growing, so I'm told by people who are keen on organic gardening. Apparently because of the restrictions on imports from the US and the expense of importing artificial fertiliser from the rest of the world, they have become expert in composting and organic gardening generally.

 
scottydog
675532.  Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:06 am Reply with quote

I would guess that is true. In Cuba it's not unusual to see people ploughing with horses, oxen and dated machinery - the whole thing is labour intensive - after all, their aim is full employment so intensive systems are not really relevant.

Organic farming would fit well into their existing systems. they are only producing enough food for their population to eat and the more jobs it creates the better.

 
gruff5
675728.  Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:57 am Reply with quote

I've been to "post-oil" talks where they use Cuba as a demonstration that we can survive the disappearance of cheap oil.

Not convinced about temperate-climated, 70 million-peopled UK, though....

 
scottydog
675737.  Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:19 am Reply with quote

Interesting stuff. Even with our climate and population, I feel the profit drive would be the main factor in stopping the UK in this matter.

I think it's worked in Cuba because they made the oil adjustment (ooh, 'the oil adjustment' - I'm claining that one) in a stable, profit free regime, and whilst the oil for sugar trade was always a bit of a joke and a financial unreality, the stability of the closed (ish) economy rode the oily waves fairly easily.

Our capitalist peak/trough may not cope so well.

 

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