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elbatman
654682.  Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:32 pm Reply with quote

Hi,

I have no idea where to post this, so i'm guessing!

I have a friend from India (Bengali Hindu) at work and she said Steven Fry was wrong to say cows weren't sacred or not worshipped.

It's the reason she doesn't eat beef!

 
Moosh
654692.  Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:07 pm Reply with quote

It's a matter of semantics really, and to make it more vague, it's semantics in English talking about Hinduism. As a very non-devout Hindu, I'd say that cows were holy, but not sacred, and were not directly worshipped. I don't eat beef, because of that.

 
Dr. Know
654693.  Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:09 pm Reply with quote

Moosh wrote:
I'd say that cows were holy, but not sacred


explain the distinction to a godless heathen?

 
Moosh
654697.  Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:17 pm Reply with quote

Dr. Know wrote:
Moosh wrote:
I'd say that cows were holy, but not sacred


explain the distinction to a godless heathen?

Cows are not gods, they aren't worshipped, and hence aren't sacred. However they are holy, and are protected by Krishna, so you shouldn't harm or impede them.

It really just depends on your definitions of the words, I was taking sacred to mean something that is directly worshipped, and holy to mean something that has religious significance but is not worshipped.

 
Ion Zone
654717.  Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:56 pm Reply with quote

I wouldn't say sacred meant directly worshipped, more revered, sacred really means the same as holy, but with greater emphasis.

 
thedrew
654721.  Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:59 pm Reply with quote

I would define those words almost oppositely. Sacred means revered, honored, and respected, but Holy means it posesses some element of Godliness. Interesting how these words can be confused.

I agree, revered is a better distinction.

 
Davini994
654755.  Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:01 pm Reply with quote

...which is why dictionaries are so important!

 
MinervaMoon
654763.  Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:27 pm Reply with quote

The quote from the show was:
Quote:
There are no sacred cows in India. The term "sacred" is a Christian one; doesn't really apply to India. Even if it did, it wouldn't apply to cows. There are no cow deities, cow icons, cow statues, and no temples to cows. Cows are one of the few animals that are not the object of worship in India.

Given that, we can better discuss evidence for and against what was actually said.

 
bobwilson
654766.  Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:33 pm Reply with quote

Quote:
I have a friend from India (Bengali Hindu) at work and she said Steven Fry was wrong to say cows weren't sacred or not worshipped.


And equally - being from the relevant region does not make the person omniscient.

 
Posital
655153.  Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:09 pm Reply with quote

bobwilson wrote:
Quote:
I have a friend from India (Bengali Hindu) at work and she said Steven Fry was wrong to say cows weren't sacred or not worshipped.


And equally - being from the relevant region does not make the person omniscient.
Perhaps region-iscient...

 
VaultAir
675617.  Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:50 am Reply with quote

MinervaMoon wrote:
Cows are one of the few animals that are not the object of worship in India.

Given that, we can better discuss evidence for and against what was actually said.[/quote]

There are serious problems with such contentions. Especially when you go back to a reading of the Rig Veda, and the huge sacrifices which involved the sacrifice of a large number of bovine animals, cows and bufaloes. Tangentially, there was also the Ashvameda sacrifice, which kings used to perform mostly before battles and involved the slaughter of a great number of horses.

On the 12th day of the 12th month of the Hindu calendar, a cow ritual is performed in Jodhpur palace, in the western Indian state of Rajasthan. Its a religious ceremony, whether you want to consider it sacred or worship is upto you.

There are also bull temples, which do have icons, like the Mahabalipuram temple to Shiva in South India. It is repeated many times in the Mahabharata that cows represent sacrifice.

The important point to keep in mind is because of the system of social stratification that operated in India (or more properly the subcontinental region) meant that the Bhramins (priestly caste0 had a monopoly on the conducting of sacrifices. So when religions like buddhism and jainism came to surface, they protected the cow as a valuable symbol of wealth because of all that it produced. This mightily pleased the trader caste, and is a fairly significant reason in accounting for the great popularity that these religions, were able to command.

The cow is considered the mother of the world, so to speak, in Hindu mythology. Symbolism is much more important here than in Western religions.

 
Zebra57
675829.  Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:26 pm Reply with quote

True there are not cow dieties in the Hindu religion but there have been in other religions. As for the discussion between holy and sacred I quote the esteemed OED.

The OED says this:

holy

• adjective (holier, holiest) 1 dedicated to God or a religious purpose. 2 morally and spiritually excellent and to be revered.

— ORIGIN Old English, related to WHOLE.

sacred
/saykrid/

• adjective 1 connected with a deity and so deserving veneration; holy. 2 (of a text) embodying the doctrines of a religion. 3 religious rather than secular.

— DERIVATIVES sacredly adverb sacredness noun.

— ORIGIN from Latin sacrare ‘consecrate’, from sacer ‘holy’.

Essentially one of the same

 
Posital
676006.  Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:02 am Reply with quote

Sorry = dedicated and connected aren't the same.

(Can someone provide a venn diagram?)

Even if their latin origin is the same.

 
Fleabag
760235.  Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:58 pm Reply with quote

I have devout Hindu friends in India, and the way it was described by them is that the cow is revered because it serves humans, through labour and provision of milk, and so earns their respect and the right to not end up on someone's plate. The principle applies to other animals, but none more than the cow.

 
Ion Zone
760438.  Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:30 pm Reply with quote

Cows that haven't been bred to the horrible standards of Western culture are (supposedly) better steeds than horses. I haven't ridden one, so I can't say, but they were one of the first domestic animals to be ridden upon (if not the first). They, supposedly, have a far better temperament. Unfortunately I have lost my source for this, but I think it has been mentioned before on here.

The lazy farmer's guide to cow-riding

In Japan, deer have been sacred (or holy) to the Shinto faith since . Deer in Japan are usually very tame and get fed rice (I think) crackers and other treats, thought the government now encourages people to hunt them. They are still protected in a lot of Japan and are looked after by shrines and others. (Best link I can find)

Deer are\have been revered in very many countries. Link

 

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