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Flash
29668.  Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:02 am Reply with quote

I probably made it up. But I could have sworn that I remembered you saying that you met Sebastian Faulks somewhere and he brought this up.

 
Mr Grue
30315.  Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:22 pm Reply with quote

Doyle was also initially intent on naming Sherlock's companion "Ormand Sacker". Luckily I'm not a schoolboy, and thus can discuss this without sniggering.

Snigger snigger.

 
tetsabb
35762.  Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:33 am Reply with quote

Jenny wrote:

One is that Sherlock Holmes was originally named Sherringford Hope, and was renamed because Doyle's wife, Louise, told him it was a dreadful name that would never get anywhere. Doyle took Holmes' surname from Oliver Wendell Holmes, whose book on criminal psychology had just been published, and Sherlock from his favourite musician, a famous violinist named Alfred Sherlock.

I am sure that a biography I read years ago (naturally author and title have long since disappeared in the untidy attic of my memory) about Doyle suggested that Sherlock was the surname of a cricketer he watched play.

 
AndyE
35990.  Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:47 am Reply with quote

This could well be true, although there is no player named Sherlock on Cricket Archive's list of first class players.

Conan Doyle was certainly a keen cricketer, although how good he was is uncertain. He made ten first class appearances, all for the MCC. In those days, anyone with money and the right connections could play for the MCC, and being good at cricket was not essential. And of course, Conan Doyle was something of a celebrity.

His most notable feat in those ten matches came against London County at Crystal Palace in 1900.

Dr W G Grace c Storer b Conan Doyle 110

This was Conan Doyle's only wicket in first class cricket. It was the only ball he ever bowled at Dr Grace, and he further claimed that he was the only cricketer in the world who could claim to have got Dr Grace with every ball he bowled at him. These claims have not been confirmed or disproved.

Also, Conan Doyle once proposed a change to the laws of cricket at the AGM of the MCC. He wanted to ban batting left handed, and it was seriously considered but ultimately dropped.

Finally, shouldn't this thread come under "C" rather than "D"?

 
djgordy
35993.  Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:54 am Reply with quote

tetsabb wrote:

I am sure that a biography I read years ago (naturally author and title have long since disappeared in the untidy attic of my memory) about Doyle suggested that Sherlock was the surname of a cricketer he watched play.


Sherlock is proper surname. I know this because I once met a police constable named PC Sherlock.

 
Celebaelin
35998.  Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:34 am Reply with quote

No shit Sherlock.

 
tetsabb
36186.  Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:48 am Reply with quote

Why would anyone named Sherlock become a copper?
Is this not like a Crapper becoming a plumber?
I always thought that Stalker was a dodgy name for a Plod. I did meet a lady named Stalker when working for the Blood Service: I was taking donors to the beds for their donations: I called her name, and asked her to follow me... and she did!

 
Mr Grue
36525.  Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:14 am Reply with quote

AndyE wrote:

Finally, shouldn't this thread come under "C" rather than "D"?


It's a toughy. Strictly speaking his surname is Doyle. If memory serves, Conan is a partalineal middle name (I've got one of those too, as it happens). I'll check tonight and let you know. That said, because he is generally thought of as Conan Doyle, rather than Doyle, he does tend to turn up in indices under C rather than D. I was talking to Cushing's biographer the other night about this very point (by way of Houdini - long story) and in his The Complete Peter Cushing he and his editor decided when faced with the same dilemma to plump for the C.

 
Flash
36534.  Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:18 am Reply with quote

I'm just off to re-arrange my bookshelf, but before I do - what about Henry Rider Haggard, Edgar Allan Poe and George Macdonald Fraser?

 
Mr Grue
36623.  Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:20 pm Reply with quote

The area is distinctly grey. Arthur's parents were Charles Doyle and Mary Pack. Charles in turn was the son of John Doyle and Marianna Conan.

"Arthur was the third child, and the name Conan was inserted at the behest of Charles Doyle's uncle and Arthur's godfather, Michael Conan, who insisted that he be commemorated at the boy's christening."

Conan Doyle, by Michael Coren (1995)

I believe his second wife took Conan Doyle, though, as did Kingsley, his son.

 
Caradoc
36651.  Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:47 pm Reply with quote

Flash wrote:
I'm just off to re-arrange my bookshelf, but before I do - what about Henry Rider Haggard, Edgar Allan Poe and George Macdonald Fraser?


H, P & F respectively, Brinsley le Pour Trench is giving me a few problems but I think Bin is appropriate.

 
Mr Grue
36687.  Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:12 am Reply with quote

That's nothing! What the hell am I supposed to do with my The The albums?

 
samivel
36702.  Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:46 am Reply with quote

You can give them to me if you want ;)

 
AndyE
36713.  Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:07 am Reply with quote

William Francis Brinsley le Poer Trench should of course be under "C" as his title was Earl of Clancarty. After all, you would look up SF's good friend the Duke of Westminster under "W", even though his surname is Grosvenor.

 
gerontius grumpus
36721.  Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:21 am Reply with quote

Will S.F. lose all credibility now that he hangs out with the Duke of Westminster?

A bit like Ben Elton when he collaborated with
Andrew Lloyd-Webber.

Ah there's another one I forgot to mention in the untouchables thread.

 

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