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638880.  Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:29 pm Reply with quote

yeah, i find that hard to believe, too. but then i guess there's also the aspect of being able to live with it. i once had a co-worker whose aunt had been a typist at one of the industrial facilities in auschwitz, and even she claimed not to have known. i guess it was the only way for her to cope.



638882.  Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:49 pm Reply with quote

What I find difficult to believe, however, are those people who have claimed that they knew nothing at all of what was happening.

There's a difference between knowing and having an inkling.

Now granted they may have simply thought that the Jews were being deported or imprisoned, but Jewish (and other) slave labour was used extensively throughout German wartime industry, so the average German (in urban areas at least) must have been aware of the exploitation going on.

You mean like the awareness people have in Britain of the abuse faced by cheap imported labour? Yes, the labour was used extensively - it was also kept separate from the other labour used. A bit like the way that it happens in the UK today really.

As for the camps; the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp was only a few miles from the town of Bergen and only a mile from the village of Belsen. The camp had no walls, only wire, and so the state of the inmates was clear to anyone passing. I cannot believe that, for 4 years (1941 - 45), no German civilian saw into the camp. The same, or similar, can be said for plenty of the other death camps.

It may have been clear to anyone passing - but so what? How many passed? How many would have spoken about what they saw to others given the regime in place? How many would have been believed if they had spoken?

The simple fact is that it's really easy to hide the most horrendous abuses in plain sight - because the majority simply can't bring themselves to believe such things can happen. I see this attitude (on a different scale) every day. The average person believes that nobody would really be that evil - it takes a hell of a lot to convince them otherwise.

And don't forget - an awful lot of holocaust deniers are not evil - they simply look at the temerity and come to the logical conclusion that it MUST be an exaggeration.

711067.  Wed May 19, 2010 10:57 pm Reply with quote

Taken that Hitler blamed the Jews for WW1, and whatever else, would it have been that difficult for him to have ordered that all jews be deported, rather than creating such an horrendous affront to humanity as the final solution? Heavens, he could have just done what Cuba does with people it doesn't want and shipped them all off to America.

Sadurian Mike
711112.  Thu May 20, 2010 5:12 am Reply with quote

He could have, but he decided that his destiny was rather more permanent.

711432.  Thu May 20, 2010 11:41 pm Reply with quote

rather than creating such an horrendous affront to humanity

Since the ideology stated that Jews were sub-human it wouldn't have been an affront to humanity. These days we don't do it that way - we label them as paedophiles, or terrorists, or immigrants, or sharia muslims, or anarchists, or BNP, or whatever we can get away with to put them into a nice convenient group without actually listening to, and refuting, what they have to say.

I know I'm not among the favoured posters for neotenic or CB27 - but at least I bother to respond to their points rather than to some presumed ideology which I arbitrarily ascribe to them.

715422.  Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:35 pm Reply with quote

Hitler planned to relocate all Jews to Madagascar. It was a combination of British successes and German failures in battle that led to the plan being abandoned in favor of the Final Solution:

Mistress Lilli 406
903049.  Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:52 pm Reply with quote

My great grandfather and mother were in the war. Everyone knew! Everyone with that fear in the pit of their stomach. To live you were whoever Hitler wanted you to be. You did not have to be a Jewish person to be label such if you were in anyone's way. I am whomever Hitler wants me to be is a good thing to remember for survival. One body can smell up a whole house. The smell of the dead would give it away. My family considered good Germans lived in mortal fear. Knowing the stories my family told me sends shivers down my spine just because it was his birthday. Fear is a powerful weapon.

903181.  Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:10 am Reply with quote

Welcome to the forums, MistressLilli :-)

You might find it interesting to read a recent book called In the Garden of Beasts, which is about Berlin in the 1930s.

Mick Jee
932878.  Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:52 pm Reply with quote

In his book about his POW escapes, Airey Neave says how, after being recaptured and awaiting transport back to the camp, he got chatting to the well-educated young German officer in charge and asked him "Why do Germans hate Jews?", to which the officer replied "Because the Fuhrer tells us to".


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