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585724.  Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:40 pm Reply with quote

I didnt know what to expect for the forums here seem a little more sophisticated than your average dribble, and my arguments are rarely ever refined to the extent that im serious in what im saying.

Sometimes, someone might try and give it focus, if it were just a question hidden within mindless ramblings, but "mine" was not.
There was no question -_-

I provoked people to question many things here. A simple answer was never going to occur >.< I just wanted to see what the wolves would make of what I left in front of them. And im not disappointed to be honest :)
It will help me understand why I always come up with these ideas... for music, books, politics etc that never really go anywhere because ive opened such a broad debate.

But I feel like refining this into one question in particular, I would lose the openness which I would like to remain with for the moment...

see what the wolves think of it :)

585780.  Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:22 am Reply with quote

Sadurian Mike wrote:
In general it comes down to very much what Posital suggests; animals are interested in food, danger, and sex. Asking a mouse who is in charge of the local city is not going to work, but he will probably know where to find spilled grain and where a snake hunts.

I'll talk to you Mike! That's a game mechanic though really isn't it? A common enough interpretation put in place so that characters have to use more conventional (and potentially risky) information gathering skills rather than just asking the indigenous animal population to tell them the details of the local economy and socio-political background. We don't actually know how much animals understand of their environment and how relevant their perceptions of it would be to a human but that level of knowledge and comprehension seems like a fairly reasonable guess. Food, shelter, sex and fear are all pretty much guaranteed to appear in animal motivations but how well expressed they'd be is another question. There's a big difference between "I'll have the quail and foie gras to start" and "HUNGRY".

585796.  Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:56 am Reply with quote

Obviously Douglas Adams plays on this with the dolphins, mice and the self-offering meat dish at the restaurant at the end of the universe...

So long and thanks for all the fish...

(For those who are hard of Adams: the dolphins flew off at the end of the world, the mice are the trans-dimensional beings who ordered the Earth from magrathea, and I can't remember much about the meat dish, 'cept it suggests the best, tenderest parts of it to eat)

593598.  Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:01 pm Reply with quote

Most of the VERY LIMITED communication between humans and animals seems to be with domestic animals. Surely this cannot really be considered as communication with animals, as the animals are effectively humanised into communicating in a way that suits us?

Another point - can animals that don't recognise their reflections and are raised from infant by humans (can dogs and parrots recognise reflections?) know that they're not human? So effectively the limited communication between us and such animals (including chimps and gorillas who bear enough resemblence to us to not know that they're especially different from their reflections) might just be communication with humans who were born something else?

Or I could be talking/thinking b*ll*cks.

Ion Zone
593615.  Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:28 pm Reply with quote

4) Can we talk to the animals already - how will this improve?

Horses have complex body language that is very hard for humans to read. You do pick it up after a while, If you go down the stables you can read relationships from what they do.

Horses can read us a lot better than we can them, they can even learn to understand words of English. The average is about two-hundred, for horses who haven't been actively trained to respond to more than a dozen or so.

Sadurian Mike
593622.  Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:37 pm Reply with quote

Then we have the problem of those who communicate by smells or other chemical emissions....

Ion Zone
593626.  Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:50 pm Reply with quote

I used to know people like that. :P

Sadurian Mike
593627.  Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:51 pm Reply with quote

We used to call them teenage boys.

Ion Zone
593629.  Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:56 pm Reply with quote

But anyway, horses (and, despite what science says currently, dogs) have a wide variety of body language you can pick up.

593722.  Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:14 am Reply with quote

Posital wrote:

the mice are the trans-dimensional beings who ordered the Earth from magrathea

Pan not trans.

594034.  Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:28 am Reply with quote

Sadurian Mike wrote:
Then we have the problem of those who communicate by smells or other chemical emissions....

Lobsters. They communicate by pissing in each other's faces. The pee contains chemical messages that say things like 'Wanna fight?' or 'I'm getting undressed - wanna have sex?' or 'I beat you the last time we fought'. See the entry in The Book Of Animal Ignorance.

594043.  Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:45 am Reply with quote

I imagine you could quite easilly communicate, "Wanna fight?" with someone by pissing in their face.

594049.  Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:58 am Reply with quote

Jenny wrote:
The pee contains chemical messages that say things like ... 'I'm getting undressed - wanna have sex?'

How many lobsters go around clothed?

594051.  Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:05 am Reply with quote

Lobsters don't have sex until they are in the stage of shedding their shells and growing new ones. Male and female lobsters who encounter each other during the hard-shell stage will simply fight each other. If they meet during the soft-shell stage, the female will move into the male's shelter, they will mate and he will protect her for a couple of weeks until the shells grow again.

594052.  Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:05 am Reply with quote

Guess who researched lobsters for TBOAI?


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