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581897.  Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:46 am Reply with quote

Bondee wrote:

Yes, you're right suze. Middlesex now only exists for "postal" purposes.

I think that's right at an organisational level, with the exception of Middlesex County Cricket Club. Until recently, there was one other though. The Middlesex Area Probation Service was one of five services across London which were amalgamated in 2001.

581929.  Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:12 am Reply with quote

Even the idea of Middlesex existing for postal reasons seems a bit dodgy, as Royal Mail list addresses without counties these days.

suze wrote:
You don't seem to see any references to "Potters Bar, Middlesex" these days, so why the people of Ashford and Staines have been more resistent I don't really know.

You do see references to 'Twickenham, Middlesex', though.

582299.  Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:00 pm Reply with quote

Davini994 wrote:
I worked at Central Middlesex hospital for several years. How can somewhere that doesn't exist have a centre? Where on earth was I?

The 'middle of nowhere', presumably. I've always wondered where that was.

582333.  Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:29 pm Reply with quote

Leith wrote:
The 'middle of nowhere', presumably.

Since the Central Middlesex Hospital is located in the urban wasteland that is Park Royal, that's actually about right.

582740.  Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:03 pm Reply with quote

samivel wrote:
You do see references to 'Twickenham, Middlesex', though.

And "Richmond, Surrey" funnily enough. It's on the right side of the river, but it's closer to central London than Twickenham.

Teddington, where I work, is in the "London Borough of Richmond-upon-Thames", but the address is "Teddington, Middlesex".

622870.  Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:54 pm Reply with quote

Going back to the question in the thread title, the official answer is East Riding of Yorkshire. Which is odd, since the word Riding comes from the old English "thrydding" meaning "a third", because it originally applied to the old three divisions of Yorkshire - West Riding, North Riding and East Riding (South Riding was a novel by Winifred Holtby but never existed in real life).

When the counties were re-organised in 1974 the Ridings were officially consigned to history with North Riding becoming North Yorks, West Riding being split into West and South Yorks, and East Riding being lumped in with a bit of Lincolnshire to become Humberside.

Like most of the reforms of '74 this was never very popular, especially the Humberside bit, and in 1997 they had another revamp in which counties like Avon and Cleveland were abolished and Rutland reinstated. The Ridings weren't brought back for all of Yorkshire, but Humberside got to revert back to being the East Riding of Yorkshire. So now there's only one Riding but four bits of Yorkshire, even though Riding means a third.

622875.  Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:55 pm Reply with quote

Weren't there always four lumps of Yorkshire though?

The City of York was not in any of the ridings, much as the three ridings all had boundaries with the City of York.

623024.  Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:03 am Reply with quote

You're right, as I now know having consulted the font of all wisdom, aka Wikipedia.

Even so, I think it still made more sense under the old arrangment, where there were essentially three counties (plus York) as opposed to now where there are four counties.

623107.  Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:26 am Reply with quote

I didn't realise the East Riding was now the only Riding. Bit silly, that.

623190.  Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:00 pm Reply with quote

From my head, so not necessarily accurate:

It's called East Riding of Yorkshire as there is technical reference to East Yorkshire elsewhere, remembering that North Humberside was cleaved off at the time and no longer in Yorkshire.

This could have been received Ulsian paranoia of course.

Peregrine Arkwright
623721.  Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:58 pm Reply with quote

Davini994 wrote:
I worked at Central Middlesex hospital for several years. How can somewhere that doesn't exist have a centre? Where on earth was I?

Count yourself lucky it existed as recently as ten years ago. If you were the Countess of Wessex, f'rinstance, you are Countess of a place which hasn't existed for the past 1,200 years.

Peregrine Arkwright


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