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zomgmouse
579900.  Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:49 pm Reply with quote

Hyperreality.

 
zomgmouse
579902.  Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:54 pm Reply with quote

But seriously, folks, this is a Quite Interesting concept. Falling under the postmodernist movement, it describes the inability of our consciousness to distinguish from what is fantasy and what is real. It's especially pertinent to the modern, technology and media-filled world.

One prominent theorist in this field was Jean Baudrillard, who went as far as claiming that we are already inhabiting a hyperreality. His example of a hyperreality was Disneyland.

 
Celebaelin
579919.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:35 am Reply with quote

And certain common banking practices.

 
zomgmouse
579921.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:40 am Reply with quote

Other examples include pornography and McDonald's.

Checking the Wikipedia page for hyperreality, I see that QI has made it onto the list of "other examples"!

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Any massively promoted versions of historical or present "facts" (e.g. "General Ignorance" from QI, where the questions have seemingly obvious answers, which are actually wrong).

 
Celebaelin
579926.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:04 am Reply with quote

That's citing QI as debunking hyperreality though.

 
Ian Dunn
579934.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:06 am Reply with quote

I think I might have added that stuff about QI in that article.

Speaking as someone who studied hyperreality and other aspects of this subject while doing Media Studies at the University of Teesside, I feel that this is something I can speak about with some knowledge.

Let's take QI as an example. It is broadcast on television, but this is an edited version of the original recording, whether it be 30 or 45 minutes long. It could be argued that you are not really watching QI, just a hyperreal version of it with certain elements removed to make it look better and more realistic.

Even then, there is the issue of things that QI gets wrong. QI has often broadcast things which are wrong as fact, such as claiming the Welsh have no word for blue. It has since been acknowledged that this was wrong, but it has never been stated as such in another QI episode, only on DVDs, websites, books and so on. QI needs to say in the programme that it was wrong IMO, like it did with "Flobadob".

QI does however help in removing much of the hyperreality concerning issues which people believe to be true but are in fact false. These true things could be said to be hyperreal facts which people believe in so strongly that they become fact. These facts are "General Ignorance".

The main other example I can think of in a comedy context is "Wikiality", a term coined by American satirist Stephen Colbert meaning "truth by consensus (rather than fact)". He claimed that if you put something on Wikipeda and enough people believe it to be true, it will become fact.

He tried to prove this by getting his viewers to change the article on elephants so it claimed that the population of African elephants had tripled in the past six months. This resulted in the largest wave of Wikipedia vandalism to date.

 
zomgmouse
580123.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:01 am Reply with quote

Thanks Ian, you summarise this much more eloquently than I. We touched on this concept (I am also studying Media, albeit "Media and Communications") in my media subject and cinema studies subject.

It was/is rather interesting. What you've said about "truth by consensus" exists in the field of language, too: if a word becomes so widely used it becomes accepted into the language officially; similarly, if an incorrect usage becomes overwhelmingly utilised in everyday parlance, it too will turn into the "correct" form.

I'm still a bit confused as to the difference between hyperreality and virtual reality. AFAICT, virtual reality is a form of hyperreality, but why can it not be synonymous with it?

 
Posital
580550.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:18 pm Reply with quote

I suppose that a virtual reality doesn't have to have any similarity to reality, whereas hyper-reality is an attempt to adjust the presentation of experience to make it more digestible.

 
Ion Zone
580619.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:30 pm Reply with quote

All human reality is removed from actual reality. The concept of normality is the basis of an interpretive inner world we hold up like a filter against everything outside of ourselves, defined by our own narrow depth of interpretation and vision, condensed into a construct that, in relation to the real world, is no more substantial than a dream.

There are as many realities as there are living creatures.

 
Sadurian Mike
580621.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:38 pm Reply with quote

I'm not sure if I really just read that.

 
zomgmouse
580627.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:06 pm Reply with quote

Ion Zone wrote:
All human reality is removed from actual reality. The concept of normality is the basis of an interpretive inner world we hold up like a filter against everything outside of ourselves, defined by our own narrow depth of interpretation and vision, condensed into a construct that, in relation to the real world, is no more substantial than a dream.

There are as many realities as there are living creatures.


Yes, but subjectivity is objective.

Also, I think people are confusing hyperreality with subjective reality.

 
Ion Zone
580810.  Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:53 am Reply with quote

Quote:
I'm not sure if I really just read that.


I did write it at half-eleven, yes. :P But, essentially, what we call reality is only in our heads.

 
zomgmouse
580825.  Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:18 am Reply with quote

Ion Zone wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure if I really just read that.


I did write it at half-eleven, yes. :P But, essentially, what we call reality is only in our heads.


Consensual reality.

 
mckeonj
580972.  Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:14 pm Reply with quote

It's real if WYSIWYG.

 
Ion Zone
580978.  Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:35 pm Reply with quote

That is a huge assumption. We all interpret what we see, and we don't even have very good eyes. The world only has colours because our brains thinks it does. Every part of our society is subjective.

 

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