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Ion Zone
578405.  Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:26 pm Reply with quote

Fine then. But I got the impression all you had seen was bits of the crappy stuff. My brother used to say exactly the same thing.

578604.  Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:18 am Reply with quote

Evidently my modestly informed opinion is not wanted here, so I'll leave it at that.

Ian Dunn
578750.  Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:27 am Reply with quote

Another quite interesting fact:

The UK and Japan have the same DVD region code. Technically speaking you could by any DVD made in Japan, anime or not, and it should play over here.

However, the UK and Japan have different Blu-ray region codes.

Ion Zone
578908.  Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:17 pm Reply with quote

I'm sorry I keep arguing, I'm under a lot of unnecessary stress at the moment.

578992.  Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:17 pm Reply with quote

Are you a car panel?

Ian Dunn
579106.  Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:07 am Reply with quote

For those interested, here is a collection of different anime styles. The shows are:

"Dead Leaves"/"FLAG"
"Gurren Lagann"/"Serial Experiments Lain"
"Cat Soup"/"Monster"
"Lucky Star"/"Mind Game"

Ian Dunn
584452.  Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:47 pm Reply with quote

I've just come across this article on The Guardian website about anime is so little shown in the UK.

Ion Zone
584494.  Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:36 pm Reply with quote

Heres one that will mess with your head:

And Lain (Made by the same studio), possibly more so. Lain blurrs reality.

Ian Dunn
584607.  Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:29 am Reply with quote

Last night I also came across this petition demanding that more anime should be shown on British television.

Ion Zone
584825.  Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:32 am Reply with quote

Guardian wrote:
"People in the UK are not as open to this type of 'cartoon'. They're used to Disney. The British have stereotyped anime as weird, sexual and violent, and a network probably wouldn't want to risk showing something like that.

Ian Dunn
584842.  Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:53 am Reply with quote

Ion Zone wrote:
Guardian wrote:
"People in the UK are not as open to this type of 'cartoon'. They're used to Disney. The British have stereotyped anime as weird, sexual and violent, and a network probably wouldn't want to risk showing something like that.

Eespecially since Sachsgate and all the paranoia about offending people.

585257.  Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:29 pm Reply with quote

Ill try to explain my expertise on the subject :D
Anime contains plenty of creative talent, and i have a great respect for it, as the effort and skill required, as well as the lack of corruption that television programmes ususally carry.

Plenty of people watch those shows about retarded children, not many people stop to think and realise, they know damn well the tv companies are not there to help kids -_- With anime, the director can make a more accurate representation of their "dream" and often avoids taking advantage of actual people involved.

Hentai, which im *guessing* includes manga in the definition, is anime pornography. I also like hentai for similar reasons to anime even though it feels quite obvious to me that it is the result of a perverted old jap living out his unfulfilled dreams through his art :P

As for questions raised before, hentai is NOT based on sexually depicting children. The term for hentai specific to childish figures is "lolicon" :) The law varies per country on depicting sexual images of children in art, I believe it isnt corruptive or prominent enough in this country to justify outlawing.

If you want anime recommendations I suggest Death Note. I saw a picture of The Wired, ive watched it, it was weird, not to everybodies tastes :)

But specifically, this is about hentai.
Hentai is usually considered virtual or hand drawn pornography, animated, storyboard, etc.

Ian Dunn
594351.  Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:59 am Reply with quote

I've just come across this - Itasha. This is the trend to spraypaint cars with pictures of anime characters. Spraypainted motorcycles are known as "itansha" and bicycles are "itachari".

Itasha photos

598279.  Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:03 am Reply with quote

I loved Haibane Renmei (which is something your mum could watch), gorgeous animation and music and all the highs and lows of people trying to cope with life. The imagery and symbolism used is very interesting too.

I had trouble with Serial Experiments Lain. It seemed to lack much story. If the point was to make you wonder what/why then it succeeded. I watched it to the end and although there was some resolution I was ultimately disappointed that it didn't get there via a more relatable route, relying on sheer weirdness instead.

Currently going through the second series of Death Note. I'm getting a bit bored of teenage boys with a god complex though after I gave up on Code Geass. Bleach is always a favourite, never too serious, I love the sheer inventiveness of the special powers. Gets a bit drawn-out in some places though.

It's always odd how people accept the Simpsons or Family Guy as containing enough adult material to be seen as normal for anyone older than 10 to watch, yet anime still retains the dual image of kids stuff or weird porn.

Sadurian Mike: Is there a style of drawn animation you do like?

Ian Dunn
608732.  Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:59 pm Reply with quote

I'm currently reading a book by Jonathan Clements, an anime and manga expert, as well as a biographer of famous people from the far east such as Confucius. The book is a collection of articles and speeches he has written and made, entitled Schoolgirl Milky Crisis (a title which ought to make it favourite for this year's Diagram Prize).

There is one piece in the book which is a speech Clements gave titled: "Five Girls Named Moe: The Anime Erotic". In it there were a few things that I found quite interesting.

1) There is a strong argument that pornography has been responsible for how technology is used. For example, there is a believe that the reason why Betamax failed to take off was because pornography were already using VHS.

2) Article 21 of the Japanese constituion says: "No censorship shall be maintained, nor shall the secrecy of any means of communication be violated." The banning of showing genitalia or public hair is not law, it was just something that was encouraged not to be shown and it later became practice.

3) In 1997, newspapers including The Guardian, the Daily Telegraph and the Daily Mail were attacking Japanese animated erotica. At the height of this moral panic, the average British anime convention attracted 500 people, and most notorious anime "nasty", Urotsukidoji: Legend of the Overfiend (probably the most famous depection of tentical rape ever) sold 40,000 copies that year.

4) Clements references one anime series called Kekko Kamen which does somewhat typify what could be seen as stereotypical Japanese hentai. The main character is an almost entirely naked superheroine and the main setting is a school which tortures its pupils for sexual pleasure. Part of the theme tune goes as follows:

We see her fanny but her face remains a mystery
Her true identity is not to be disclosed
Kekko Kamen! A girl with a plan
Fighting for justice with a flail in her hand
Guarding us from evil, protecting us from sin
And if a teacher grabs her, she'll kick his bollocks in

It also includes a scene in which a schoolgirl is tied to a giant rotating swastika while a woman in a Nazi uniform throws knifes at her to cut the girl's clothes off. The scene features bondage, torture and "ludicrously comedic set-ups", but the nudity is relatively tame so it is legal in Japan.

For those interested, it is available in Britain on DVD, rated 18.


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