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Efros
744840.  Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:44 pm Reply with quote

Not on ere the wont.

 
'yorz
845835.  Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:00 pm Reply with quote

My ear can't get used to hearing the product NORR being advertised on tv. 'Til a few months ago, I only knew it as KNORR.

 
exnihilo
845914.  Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:55 am Reply with quote

K-norr, they've got the k-now how? I find the pronunciation less irksome than I do Marco Pierre White's abandonment of all his earlier bile and vitriol for pre-made stock, I expect he's short of cash. Again.

 
'yorz
845919.  Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:04 am Reply with quote

Does happen to the best of us. I wish somebody asked me to endorse some product (no matter how crap) for good money.
Have no reputation to lose anyway.

 
iamannoying.com
845986.  Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:02 am Reply with quote

The K in Unilever's Knorr brand (originally a German last name, in Dutch "knor" is the sound of a pig) is pronounced like the C in "candle". It's not a silent K, like in the already mentioned "to know". So it roughly sounds like Candle-andle+ nor.

 
'yorz
845996.  Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:27 am Reply with quote

I thought I made the pronunciation of the letter 'K' in Dutch quite obvious.

 
bobwilson
846288.  Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:43 pm Reply with quote

It seems appropriate to mention that Bush Sr is not only a Shrub but an 'erbert.

 
manonop
1375632.  Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:32 pm Reply with quote

Can someone explain what is this topic about. none of the comments are on point ..lol

 
Jenny
1375637.  Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:14 pm Reply with quote

manonop wrote:
Can someone explain what is this topic about. none of the comments are on point ..lol


You may have missed the point... the discussion appears to be around silent letters that are either no longer silent, or should be silent, or should not be silent.

Having said that, few of our discussion threads stay close to the topic for long!

 
CB27
1375644.  Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:24 pm Reply with quote

It still winds me up when I hear people say "an hotel" or "an horse", it sounds so wrong.

Then again, Estuary English seems to have adopted to silent H, so I suppose it sounds right to some. Innit?

 
Efros
1375649.  Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:40 pm Reply with quote

An orse.

 
crissdee
1375652.  Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:50 pm Reply with quote

As a native speaker of same, I can confirm this.

 
Brock
1375653.  Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:53 pm Reply with quote

Isn't there a cultural difference though? "An (h)otel" was once considered "posh". I don't think "an (h)orse" ever was.

 
PDR
1375656.  Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:04 pm Reply with quote

Isn't it that these words are borrowed from the French? They may contravene English language law, but as we all know the law is an Banana.

PDR

 
suze
1375658.  Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:36 pm Reply with quote

That we take the word hotel from French is certainly relevant here. The letter <h> is always silent in French, and if we keep it silent in English we arrive at an hotel.

By now an hotel is considered a little bit affected. I'd be fairly confident that Boris Johnson says an hotel, and equally confident that Bradley Walsh doesn't. (If I need exemplars of "posh" and "not posh" English in class, I normally use Boris Johnson and Danny Dyer. But Mr Dyer is probably an h-dropper and so not a good choice for this particular point.)

I have to make a horrible confession now though: I say an hotel. But if the article becomes definite, I say the hotel rather than thee otel.

Horse is a Germanic word, and my mother would have told me off I'd said an orse.

Just to make it more confusing, most North Americans say an erb rather than a herb. It's another French word, and the pronunciation which is by now considered improper in Britain was standard until ~1850.

 

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