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Posital
574570.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:13 pm Reply with quote

Please don't mention the war.

 
suze
574572.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:15 pm Reply with quote

So WWII ended in 1990, but WWI may just be ongoing.

San Marino never declared war on Germany in WWI, only on Austria. But the peace treaty with Austria - the Treaty of Saint-Germain, 1919 - makes no mention of San Marino.

Since San Marino was neutral in WWII, it didn't need to make peace with anyone at the end of that war. Accordingly, I can see no proof that San Marino and Austria have ever stopped fighting WWI.

 
Sadurian Mike
574573.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:17 pm Reply with quote

Austria are probably keeping quiet, just in case....

 
Sadurian Mike
574574.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:18 pm Reply with quote

Posital wrote:
Please don't mention the war.

Well you started it.

 
nitwit02
574674.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:31 pm Reply with quote

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Well they did, because Britain declared war on Nazi Germany and her representatives surrendered in 1945.





If so, then Germany still existed on the date of the surrender and at that point, the war was then officially over. (May 8, 1945).

 
Efros
574676.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:36 pm Reply with quote

Sadurian Mike wrote:
Posital wrote:
Please don't mention the war.

Well you started it.


Posital, did you invade Poland?

 
Sadurian Mike
574679.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:46 pm Reply with quote

nitwit02 wrote:
Quote:
Well they did, because Britain declared war on Nazi Germany and her representatives surrendered in 1945.





If so, then Germany still existed on the date of the surrender and at that point, the war was then officially over. (May 8, 1945).

That's pretty much the accepted view, yes. The fact that we didn't amend the legal status until a few years later is QI but does not affect the reality that the actual war had ended.

 
bobwilson
574681.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:47 pm Reply with quote

Actually, WW2 was simply a continuation of the colonial wars of the 19th century and has continued into the 21st century.

It's ridiculous to refer to WW2 (or WW1) - these were simply a series of pissing contests between little boys with too much time on their hands which have been amalgamated into a collective group for the convenience of another group of little boys to categorise.

I know it's been fashionable for about 50 years to pretend that Britain went to war with Germany in 1939 to defend plucky little Belgium - but it's all garbage. Britain went to war with Germany because it was convenient to do so. To be fair, there were some people who believed the fiction at the time but the fundamental truth is that Britain had no interest in curtailing Nazi Germany in Europe other than to protect its own Nazi regime operating overseas.

 
Sadurian Mike
574682.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:49 pm Reply with quote

WWI (1914) was Belgium, WWII (1939) was Poland.

We've had the discussion about when WWII started before.

 
Efros
574683.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:51 pm Reply with quote

Given Britain's situation in 1939 I don't think it was particularly convenient.

 
Sadurian Mike
574693.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:07 pm Reply with quote

Far from it. We were caught without a decent 4-engined bomber, with a gun-armed infantry tank in development but not built, an anti-tank gun that should have been already surplanted, and a lack of motorised transport. The Spitfire had luckily just been developed but most pilots had yet to train in them.


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Efros
574694.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:09 pm Reply with quote

Our main combat fighter was still a biplane. I don't think there was an operational plane in the whole of the Fleet air arm that wasn't a biplane.

 
Sadurian Mike
574697.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:12 pm Reply with quote

We had the Hurricane, but that was only just replacing Furies and Gladiators. The FAA was slow to change over because the biplanes were good for carrier take-off and landing. The poor old Sea Gladiator, however, was sorely outclassed in the air.

 
Efros
574701.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:18 pm Reply with quote

On further googling, seems we had 19 squadrons of operational Hurris at the outbreak in 1939. 25% of these were lost in the German offensive in France in the spring of 1940.

 
Sadurian Mike
574709.  Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:27 pm Reply with quote

It was only introduced in late '37/early '38 to frontline squadrons so the tactics had not yet been properly sorted out. That counted for many losses because the aircraft were not used to their best efficiency. It took until 1940 to get that right.

 

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