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Sadurian Mike
529977.  Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:57 pm Reply with quote

grabagrannie wrote:
What nationality are you, Sadurian Mike? All your examples are "wrong" by the standards of English I learned at school 40 to 50 years ago.

I'm English and I learned my English language about thirty years ago.

 
'yorz
549539.  Thu May 07, 2009 9:37 am Reply with quote

Is 'English' a nationality?

And I was taught at school (a Dutch one, but what the heck) that it's 'to learn-learnt-learnt; to dream-dreamt-dreamt.
The only instance where I was allowed to use 'learned' was 'My learned friend'. 'Dreamed' never entered the equation.
Was my teacher off her rocker?



It's I, LeClerc!

 
suze
549547.  Thu May 07, 2009 10:33 am Reply with quote

The answer to the first question that you'd be taught in school in England is "no"; pupils are taught that their nationality is British, and the Home Office states that "The current law does not recognise 'English' as a description of nationality".

Even so, an awful lot of people in Scotland state their nationality as Scottish - much as strictly speaking, it's wrong.


A lawyer is always "learned", never "learnt".

But in the more common use as a past participle, "learnt" is the usual form in Britain. North Americans tend to use "learned" rather more, but neither form should be considered "wrong". It's the same with a handful of other past participles - those of dream, spell, lean, and so on.

 
TwistedByKnaves
549822.  Thu May 07, 2009 5:00 pm Reply with quote

... although England, Scotland and Wales are all nations, though not states. Damned confusing for Johnny Foreigner.

Though no doubt he has his own equally bizarre arrangements to counter confuse us with.

If we cared.

 
bemahan
549826.  Thu May 07, 2009 5:02 pm Reply with quote

Quote:
... although England, Scotland and Wales are all nations, though not states. Damned confusing for Johnny Foreigner.
And for my seven year old!

 
Posital
549827.  Thu May 07, 2009 5:03 pm Reply with quote

eeyoresmum wrote:
It's I, LeClerc!

Phew - I'm not the only one then.

 
TwistedByKnaves
549840.  Thu May 07, 2009 5:17 pm Reply with quote

To say nothing of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

 
npower1
569074.  Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:43 am Reply with quote

Sending this thread off into another discussion.

I got this from this Guardian article.


Quote:
The church also never tried to ban human dissection. I was amused to hear this story promulgated on the BBC show QI which usually prides itself in puncturing the conventional wisdom.


Which episode is this from? Has this mistake been noted before?

 
soup
569129.  Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:22 am Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Even so, an awful lot of people in Scotland state their nationality as Scottish - much as strictly speaking, it's wrong.


For the army (Scots get leave at Hogmanay the English get leave at Christmas obvoiusly this is not a hard and fast rule but one most COs tend to use) the nationality I had to put was Brit-scot.

 
soup
569130.  Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:22 am Reply with quote

TwistedByKnaves wrote:
To say nothing of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.


Or the kingdom of Fife.

 
Davini994
569306.  Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:12 pm Reply with quote

npower1 wrote:
Which episode is this from? Has this mistake been noted before?

It's not on the transcripts... F series maybe. They aren't all up yet.

 
CB27
569457.  Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:45 am Reply with quote

I'm wondering whether this was a reference to chapter 11 in the F series, which touched on the painting of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

The discussion turned to whether the cape of God was a representation of a dissection of the brain which Michelangelo painted after seeing an illegal dissection.

I'm not sure Stephen meant that it was against the Church, but that it was illegal, but I don't have the transcripts for that particular show (I'm guessing Minerva's been very busy).

 
Stefan Linnemann
938029.  Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:44 pm Reply with quote

Following on from CB27 directly above: When Stephen wonders in the Film episode, where this "illegal dissection of the brain" was indeed the source of the shape of the red background thingy, I can think of one reason why Michelangelo would do this:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
This is the (KJV) English translation of the start of the Gospel of John, which he wrote, of course, in Greek (rather educated for a fisherman, come to think of it), who was clearly heavily influenced by the Stoa, whose central God like concept is ὁ Λογος.

Cue Elves and Stephen to take this to its logical conclusion.

 
CB27
938034.  Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:25 am Reply with quote

There's a very long dissection (excuse the pun) of Qi by an American viewer here which touches on the facts about Michelangelo about a quarter of the way down.

 
Bondee
938834.  Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:52 pm Reply with quote

The caricature of Alan could explain the Essex Lion.

 

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