| Ameena
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| 500200. Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:25 am |
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| All the birds flew away? |
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| misterchris
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| MacGyverMagic
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| 500323. Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:22 am |
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It's a nice article but it doesn't list a very basic problem. Perhaps I should just reword the question:
Question: What particular problem do American filmmakers face when they want to make a film involving crows? |
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| scottydog
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| 500342. Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:44 am |
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Just looked on this thread for the first time. I remember reading somewhere that it is illegal to film crows in America for any commercial purpose.
I said that outloud in a pub once and was told buy man at bar that this was not true,
but, it IS illegal to have ownership of a crow (or any other migratory bird species) in America and thus, if said bird is from one of these animal stunt star tame creature places then that ownership would be the illegal bit.
I will let you all now put me bang to rights. |
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| misterchris
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| 500355. Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:03 am |
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Ooh good call scottydog
http://www.hbo.com/sixfeetunder/credits/index.shtml
Apparently it IS illegal to film using real crows. The crows used in SFU were actually pied crows who had to have their chests painted black.
Can't find any real evidence to support the statement that filming crows is illegal in the States though. |
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| scottydog
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| 500358. Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:07 am |
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Hmm. How is it less cruel (assuming that is the basis of the legality or otherwise) to own, paint and film a pied crow than it is just film a crow.
I'm gonna skuttle off to google now and find something, or try at least, to explain all this.
So I'll just shoot the crow and research all this. |
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| scottydog
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| 500369. Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:16 am |
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OK. I found this link. The American Migratory Bird Treaty Act lists the crow on it's protected species list.
This Treaty as far as I can see, restricts capture of listed birds for commercial purposes.
It seems that man in bar may have been correct...
http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/intrnltr/treatlaw.html |
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| misterchris
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| 500370. Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:16 am |
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| I'd do some more research into it myself but I'd better get some work done today. |
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| MacGyverMagic
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| 500586. Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:51 pm |
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| scottydog wrote: | Just looked on this thread for the first time. I remember reading somewhere that it is illegal to film crows in America for any commercial purpose.
I said that outloud in a pub once and was told buy man at bar that this was not true,
but, it IS illegal to have ownership of a crow (or any other migratory bird species) in America and thus, if said bird is from one of these animal stunt star tame creature places then that ownership would be the illegal bit.
I will let you all now put me bang to rights. |
Well, if you were on the show you'd have been klaxoned after your first two sentences. But you're on the right track with migratory birds as the other posts show. |
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| MacGyverMagic
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| 500587. Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:53 pm |
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| scottydog wrote: | OK. I found this link. The American Migratory Bird Treaty Act lists the crow on it's protected species list.
This Treaty as far as I can see, restricts capture of listed birds for commercial purposes.
It seems that man in bar may have been correct...
http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/intrnltr/treatlaw.html |
Correct! I'll post the full details with the question in the opening post. |
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| mckeonj
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| 502118. Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:13 pm |
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| OK, so what were the birds in Hitchcock's "The Birds", they looked an awful lot like crows to me. Maybe they were Canadian Redneck crows. |
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| Jenny
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| 502168. Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:38 pm |
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| According to the IMDB database they were 'all kinds of birds', but the Wikipedia entry for the film mainly says seagulls when it specifies a particular attack. |
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| Jenny
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| 502169. Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:38 pm |
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| Nasty buggers, seagulls. |
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| samivel
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| 502201. Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:20 pm |
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| Taste disgusting as well. |
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| misterchris
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| 503416. Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:51 pm |
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| mckeonj wrote: | | OK, so what were the birds in Hitchcock's "The Birds", they looked an awful lot like crows to me. Maybe they were Canadian Redneck crows. |
This made me dig out my Hitchcock books.
From The Dark Side of Genius by Donald Spoto...
| Quote: | ... Ray Berwick trained hundreds of gulls and crows and ravens to dart at the right moment, to perch, return and swoop over the actors' heads. Mechanical birds were constructed for a few shots involving children...
The final great attack of the birds was to involve the leading lady herself: she would be caught in a room full of crows and gulls and ravens that would tear at her until she collapsed in a state of shock...
Birds were hurled at her; frightened, they flew away as she defended herself against the gulls and crows with wild, increasingly honest and unacted gestures of terror. |
That's all I could find about the birds - doesn't say what type of crows they were or if they had to paint any to look like real crows. |
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