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Yokozuna
1205557.  Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:05 am Reply with quote

bobwilson wrote:
Since the question has been raised and answered (to the satisfaction of the poster) shouldn't this thread qualify for deletion now?


I do not believe that the question has been answered to the satisfaction of the poster, nor that the problem has been solved to the satisfaction of much of the membership.

I need to find a way to always start reading a thread from start=0, regardless of how old and/or active it is. I know that phpBB supports this option from having served as administrator on other phpBB sites. Unfortunately, the administrators here don't yet understand how important it is to be able to join a conversation from its beginning and not from some arbitrary place in the middle.

Can a moderator here please escalate this problem so that we may choose our preferred behavior from the Profile page?

 
Alfred E Neuman
1205561.  Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:24 am Reply with quote

Yokozuna wrote:
bobwilson wrote:
Since the question has been raised and answered (to the satisfaction of the poster) shouldn't this thread qualify for deletion now?


I do not believe that the question has been answered to the satisfaction of the poster


Considering that the poster hasn't posted here in well over seven years, I think you might be making an assumption there.

 
Yokozuna
1205568.  Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:56 am Reply with quote

Not meaning to start a flame war here, but prior to posting I looked at the OP's latest comment and dutifully clicked on the link within. Unfortunately, the link went to a 404 page, so I am still unable to discern what bit of magic sent the OP away, whether happily, complacently or resignedly.

I do believe that many members went away resigned to alter the address line each and every time to invoke start=0, despite the fact that the option to always start from zero or always start from newest can be provided to users on our Profile page.

Having just joined this forum, and wishing to exercise the courtesy of reading each interesting thread in its entirety, whether I choose to add a comment or not, I find it frustrating to have to use a workaround instead of being able to set a parameter that is readily available in phpBB.

 
Alfred E Neuman
1205577.  Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:31 am Reply with quote

Yokozuna wrote:
I find it frustrating to have to use a workaround instead of being able to set a parameter that is readily available in phpBB.


I'm not sure of the specifics, but my understanding is that the phpBB was modified for the forum, and if that is the case, I suspect that it's not running the latest release, but the one that the mods were made to. The copyright notice on the index page refers to 2001 and 2002, so it's quite possible that the option you want isn't in the version being used here.

Perhaps the administrator will pop in and comment further.

I do know that, given that it's been raised a few times over the years and the forum hasn't changed, that the chances of it changing now are pretty slim.

 
PDR
1205579.  Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:16 am Reply with quote

The issue is simply this. This forum is run on a shoestring due to the charitable beneficence of the QI fraternity. This applies to both the time and effort of the Elven and Peredhil folk and the money to fund its server space.

Server space is finite, so as the content of the forum grows it is necessary to periodically cull the older posts from the forum. As QI threads are free-range (the Elven having a strong moral abhorrence for commercialised forced battery-threading) there can be no hard and fast rules for what gets culled.

But some threads have been running since before the forging of the Five Rings and are mostly just conversations and banter between the individuals at the time that have no enduring value (>99% of my contributions will be in that category) so there is no justifiable case for the cost of preserving them. So they are highly likely to be prioritised in the culling. It becomes a choice between culling the WHOLE thread (which may include a current conversation) or just trimming the ancient bits. Usually the Elven choose the latter as the lesser of two weavils.

0.07 supplied,

PDR

 
Alfred E Neuman
1205587.  Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:10 am Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
0.07 supplied


I think you missed the point there. The complaint is not that posts get culled (the user is new, they'd not have a clue if some posts had been deleted). The issue is that when you click on a thread from the index page, it doesn't take you to the very first page of the thread. That is unrelated to server space, but may well be related to shoe-string budgets.

 
PDR
1205590.  Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:25 am Reply with quote

You are quite right - I misread the complaint in the OP, Apols.

PDR

 
suze
1205642.  Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:16 pm Reply with quote

Alfred E Neuman wrote:
I'm not sure of the specifics, but my understanding is that the phpBB was modified for the forum, and if that is the case, I suspect that it's not running the latest release, but the one that the mods were made to.


That is precisely right.

A previous IT Elf hacked up the forum software quite substantially to get it to do what he wanted it to. That particular IT Elf then left the organization (six parts resigned and half a dozen parts fired), and the current IT Elf has established that to upgrade to a more recent edition of phpBB would need a lot of de-hacking of the software to be done first.

If our IT department were a dozen keen coders who had been hired straight out of coding school, we could do it. But since it's actually a guy called Bob who has a day job, PDR's statement becomes relevant.

PDR wrote:
This forum is run on a shoestring due to the charitable beneficence of the QI fraternity. This applies to both the time and effort of the Elven and Peredhil folk and the money to fund its server space.


The hosting of the forums doesn't actually cost very much, and Commander Lloyd is kind enough to pay for it. But if we asked him to spend thousands of pounds on those guys out of coding school, he might remember that these forums are no longer a key part of his plans for world domination.

 
Jenny
1205784.  Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:25 am Reply with quote

For Yokozuna's benefit - if you want to go back to the very beginning of a thread, look in the address bar. Set the last number to =0 and it will take you back to whatever is currently the beginning of that thread.

Welcome to the forums :-)

 
BoysGreat
1241512.  Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:11 pm Reply with quote

I have just joined here guys, nice to see you all.

 
Jenny
1241608.  Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:59 pm Reply with quote

Welcome to you BoysGreat.

 
Yokozuna
1241925.  Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:52 pm Reply with quote

Jenny, thank you for thinking of my "benefit," but you simply regurgitated something I had stated a week earlier. In that posting I stated that I knew about "start=0" in the URL bar, and considered it a troublesome workaround because phpBB allows setting that parameter as a permanent option in the user's profile page. The feature is located together with the option for always looking at threads in forward or reverse chronological order.

p.s. Your welcome reply to BoysGreat's OT comment brought me back here, rather expecting an update to the original conversation. Maybe the resurrection of this thread will attract others to contribute.

 
Jenny
1242141.  Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:13 pm Reply with quote

Dr.bob is our webmaster, Yokozuna, so maybe send him a pm in case he doesn't see this?

 
Alfred E Neuman
1242173.  Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:35 am Reply with quote

Jenny wrote:
Dr.bob is our webmaster, Yokozuna, so maybe send him a pm in case he doesn't see this?


The question has already been answered, but it seems that either those answers were missed or ignored.

 
dr.bob
1242189.  Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:00 am Reply with quote

I'll answer it again since, reading back through the thread, it seems that the answer was rather brief and may have been missed.

When browsing any forum, you are presented with a list of threads. Clicking on the title of the thread will present you with the latest 15 posts on that thread. This is useful behaviour for people who visit regularly and only want to catch up on the latest posts.

Below the title of the thread are page numbers if the thread is long enough to spill over into multiple pages. If you wish to read the thread from the original post, you simply have to click on the small number "1" below the title of the thread.

 

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