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695.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 4:32 pm Reply with quote

Yes, well, actually I guess he's not that famous: he has a show called "Your Face of Mine" on Channel 4 with the hideous premise of people judging who's uglier than whom which I haven't seen (and don't want to).

He's pretty well known on the stand-up circuit, and in a recent large celebrity-studded gala in memory of Peter Cook, he was generally judged to be the funniest person of the evening.

Strangely, last night I bumped into him in the Groucho Club a couple of hours before the QI show he was on.

I went up and said hello, and he said: 'Who are you?'

So that's how famous I am....

697.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 4:40 pm Reply with quote

I'd never heard of him. Is Jackie Clune a novelist, maybe? But it wasn't really intended as a criticism - I'm sure we'd all like to see people who are entertaining rather than famous up there.

Frederick The Monk
698.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:19 pm Reply with quote

Absolutely - if they're funny or interesting or ideally both they get my vote regardless of whether I've heard of them. The question of course is whether that's good enough for commissioners?

706.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:40 pm Reply with quote

Quite. Maybe the answer is to smuggle in one interesting person alongside three famous ones and so grow our own celebrities. This is how football clubs work. Fame Academy also.

I propose Fred and Jenny.

Frederick The Monk
707.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:43 pm Reply with quote

I'll only go if I can hide behind Flash.

And Jenny.

709.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:45 pm Reply with quote

OK, I'm in. Jen?

713.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:53 pm Reply with quote

Only if you lot will pay the airfare :-)

But I suspect the difference between us and the kind of people on the show is that when confronted by TV cameras we might get that rabbit-caught-in-the-headlights glazed look. Although Fred's a bit more experienced than we are, aren't you Fred?

Go on Flashy - you go first!

717.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:58 pm Reply with quote

That's OK, Jack will edit it so we look good.

Actually, all this kind of talk is probably making him nervous. Let's change the subject. Errr .... so - seen any good films recently? Or are you fonder of tennis?

Frederick The Monk
718.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:00 pm Reply with quote

Well volunteered Flash! This is just the sort of gesture we need at a time like this to.............

721.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:05 pm Reply with quote

Agree with all that.

First of all, Flash, of course I didn't take your comment personally in the least. I have to admit that actually I hadn't heard of Jackie myself before Alan Davies suggested her. I had heard of Jimmy but had no idea what he looked like till he turned up in the studio.

Indeed as Fred says there was a problem with the commissioning people over who to cast in this first series: not only re.famousness, but re age, sex and 'BBC2ness'. It was quite trying.

However, the ageism that has infected the Birtian and post-Birtian BBC is waning. Anne Robinson is no spring chicken but is commonly agreed to be on the cool list by those who think like that, and everyone thinks Clement Freud was rather good on Have I Got News the other night.

I imagine we'll have quite a bit more freedom second time round, and the idea indeed is to slip more 'new', less obvious people into the mix.

You lot are, of course, on the long shortlist.

Quite seriously, though, I propose we try to get some of us on a cheap non-audience BBC4 talk-show version first, as practice. Or radio.

But it's a lot harder to get these things commissioned, even with teeny audiences, than you might expect. We're trying though, and I will bring it up with the BBC2 Genre Commissioner at my lunch with His Nibs on Tuesday.

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722.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:05 pm Reply with quote

Now I've heard that line before somewhere...

725.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:13 pm Reply with quote

Gallant majors in the Bengal Lancers who used to come up to you at the Viceroy's garden party and offer you a part in the club panto, that kind of thing? I know, I know ...

726.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:17 pm Reply with quote

Well I wasn't quite five when I left India, Flash, so if any major was being particularly gallant it probably went over my head in the most literal possible sense.

729.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:24 pm Reply with quote

The other day I gave my father a wonderful and very interesting book called "Plain Tales From the Raj", which was based on a Radio 4 series (made in the 70s, I think) which interviewed people who had been part of the Raj as children, administrators, soldiers, etc. It's out of print now, but vg if you can find a copy.

730.  Fri Oct 24, 2003 9:22 pm Reply with quote

I thought that Jackie Clune was great; I had the feeling that nobody else did. Her gag about the whatever-it-is cushion with two horns was sublime.


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