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Menecairiel
347007.  Wed May 28, 2008 8:18 pm Reply with quote

Sobriquet wrote:
crissdee wrote:
Sobriquet, the opening of "The Illustrious Client" quite clearly states;

"On the upper floor of the Northumberland Avenue establishment there is an isolated corner where two couches lie side by side, and it was on these that we lay upon September 3, 1902, the day when my narrative begins."


Yes, but a girl should be allowed to make herself giggle once in a while, even if the hilarious scenario in question is an awful, slanderous ruining of the noble reputation of some of our finest literary characters. Still, tee hee <3


Actually, what is most interesting with that story is that in ‘The illustrious Client’, Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson indulge in a trip to the Turkish baths, namely Nevill's Turkish Bath for Gentlemen at Northumberland Avenue. And the date, 1902, was several years after Turkish Baths had become unfashionable because of all the 'queer' practices. Hey, Holmes and Watson are easy to slash. But then again, I firmly believe Holmes was written as a homosexual, and that Doyle knew exactly what he was doing.

Personally though, I think anything that Gyles Brandreth writes should be considered fanfiction. He is as big a fanboy for Wilde and Doyle as Davies is for Doctor Who.

Here's another killer out there...it's sort of fanfic, sort of slash, but different. RPS. Real Person/People Slash. The Lord of the Rings communities are saturated with those.

 
suze
347261.  Thu May 29, 2008 7:07 am Reply with quote

Menecairiel wrote:
But then again, I firmly believe Holmes was written as a homosexual, and that Doyle knew exactly what he was doing.


That's a fair theory as it goes, and I can certainly see where you're coming from. We are told several times that Holmes disliked women - in contrast to Watson who was at least twice married, and seems to have put it about a bit before his first marriage.

But what about Irene Adler? Did not Holmes have an illicit relationship with her in either Montenegro or New York, the result of which was Nero Wolfe?

 
npower1
347609.  Thu May 29, 2008 3:20 pm Reply with quote

Instead of doing the shopping today I got hooked on a fan fiction story and it was so good I've spent most of the day reading it. (Author iolanthe, on the Kryptonsite - it may be necessary to be a fan of Smallville to appreciate how good it is)

 
Menecairiel
348007.  Thu May 29, 2008 7:18 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:

But what about Irene Adler? Did not Holmes have an illicit relationship with her in either Montenegro or New York, the result of which was Nero Wolfe?


I think he admired Irene Adler, for her mind. I completely disagree to an affair though, even if I have heard about it...also, he only noticed her because she was dragged up as a man.

 
Colle
448022.  Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:24 am Reply with quote

From Menecairiel:
Quote:
Here's another killer out there...it's sort of fanfic, sort of slash, but different. RPS. Real Person/People Slash. The Lord of the Rings communities are saturated with those.

OR BANDMEMBERS! *shudders* It's not like I scrictly disaprove of slash fiction, I just sometimes wonder if these people know what's being written about them ^^x*

Anyway, amongst the Japanese-orientated fans of fanfiction, there exist many different words on the subject.
One is 同人誌, doujinshi, which are self-published comics, often based on the plots and characters of existing manga (Japanese comics) or even bands.
As for the slash, I'm sure some people are familiar with the term 'hentai', "perverted" in colloquial Japanese, which is the genre containing sexually explicit scenes, usually heterosexual. The homosexual equivalents are yaoi and yuri, which are male and female pairings respectively.

I already knew this, but I consulted Wiki, just to be sure.
Oh, I have seen Anpanman yaoi doujinshis. Nothing is sacred.

 
Ion Zone
448319.  Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:36 pm Reply with quote

I keep well away from the stuff, though I've heard on a fan site that J Rowling reads some of hers. :}


I do like the Thief 2X fan (fiction) missions though...

 
pooglet
680665.  Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:43 am Reply with quote

I'm aware that this thread hasn't been active for quite a long while; however, being that this is a QI-based forum, and given the subject matter of this particular discussion...
Well, you really ought to see this: http://community.livejournal.com/alan_stephen/

Admittedly, there isn't much. But what is there seems to be pretty good, actually. Most RPF (real person fiction) I've read generally tends to be better written than all the fanfic based on orginally fictional characters. Perhaps this is due to a smaller and generally more intelligent fanbase? Any thoughts?

I'd say I'm guilty of both slash and RPF, but I don't find anything particularly incriminating about it. I know some people are against RPF because they believe it infringes the rights and/or privacy of the people being written about. I don't think so, and I could argue against the point, but this comment is already rather long, so I'll spare you all!

 
RLDavies
681749.  Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:19 pm Reply with quote

That's a godawful lump of writing in the original posting, but I don't recognise it as fanfiction. What's it based on?

For lovers of just plain godawful lumps of writing, it takes a lot to beat the fantasy tale "The Eye of Argon" by Jim Thiels. The whole glorious mess can be found HERE. Here's the opening, as a taster for the uninitiated:

Quote:
The weather beaten trail wound ahead into the dust racked climes of the baren land which dominates large portions of the Norgolian empire. Age worn hoof prints smothered by the sifting sands of time shone dully against the dust splattered crust of earth. The tireless sun cast its parching rays of incandescense from overhead, half way through its daily revolution. Small rodents scampered about, occupying themselves in the daily accomplishments of their dismal lives. Dust sprayed over three heaving mounts in blinding clouds, while they bore the burdonsome cargoes of their struggling overseers.

"Prepare to embrace your creators in the stygian haunts of hell, barbarian", gasped the first soldier.

"Only after you have kissed the fleeting stead of death, wretch!" returned Grignr.

A sweeping blade of flashing steel riveted from the massive barbarians hide enameled shield as his rippling right arm thrust forth, sending a steel shod blade to the hilt into the soldiers vital organs. The disemboweled mercenary crumpled from his saddle and sank to the clouded sward, sprinkling the parched dust with crimson droplets of escaping life fluid.


Reading the story aloud is apparently a popular game at SF/fantasy conventions. You have to read the entire story as written (including all spelling and punctuation mistakes) with a perfectly straight face. "Grandmaster level" is doing this after inhaling helium.

 
denialmark
687266.  Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:38 am Reply with quote

Fanfiction is most often associated with Star Trek, and indeed, it was at early Star Trek gatherings that fanfiction began to be shared with other fans. Originally it took the form of poorly mimeographed, hand-stapled fanzines but now fanfiction comes in slick illustrated products produced by modern desktop publishing tools.

The Internet brought new growth to fanfiction, with fans discovering each other worldwide, forming groups, mailing lists and newsgroups for the sharing of fan-written fiction and fan-painted art. Virtually every television series of interest to a young audience has a fanfic community associated with it. Books that gain cult followings, such as the Harry Potter series, are also known for their fanfic following of amateur authors.

 
suze
709077.  Thu May 13, 2010 5:20 pm Reply with quote

Oh dear. Tonight has been a first for me, but perhaps not a last.

I have encountered slash fiction in which the participants are David Cameron and Nick Clegg.

 
MinervaMoon
709082.  Thu May 13, 2010 5:40 pm Reply with quote

I've seen it too. :D

 
zomgmouse
709149.  Thu May 13, 2010 10:15 pm Reply with quote

Quote:
Fanfiction is most often associated with Star Trek

Interestingly, slash-fiction started there as well, the "slash" coming from Kirk/Spock sex fantasies.

 
bobwilson
709152.  Thu May 13, 2010 10:53 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Menecairiel wrote:
But then again, I firmly believe Holmes was written as a homosexual, and that Doyle knew exactly what he was doing.


That's a fair theory as it goes, and I can certainly see where you're coming from. We are told several times that Holmes disliked women - in contrast to Watson who was at least twice married, and seems to have put it about a bit before his first marriage.

But what about Irene Adler? Did not Holmes have an illicit relationship with her in either Montenegro or New York, the result of which was Nero Wolfe?


Hang on - Holmes disliked women (in contrast to Watson). So Watson didn't dislike women. That's presumably why he married them twice (and presumably divorced them twice). I can't think of many expressions of hatred of a woman more definite than to divorce her. I know suze had a Catholic upbringing but trust me - getting married is not always an expression of love; getting divorced is ALWAYS an expression of hatred.

As for "putting it about a bit" - well, that is even less of an expression of love of women than marrying them. So - the evidence mounts.

We know that Watson hated at least two women enough to divorce them. We also know that Watson first married these women - although whether he loved them or just did so for convenience is open to question. We also know that Watson "put it about a bit" - in other words, used women for his own gratification without any intention to commit to the possible consequences.

I'd describe that as the very definition of a misogynist.

And after all that he shacks up with a dilettante.

Holmes may or may not have been a homosexual - Watson most certainly was.

 
samivel
709163.  Fri May 14, 2010 2:07 am Reply with quote

bobwilson wrote:
getting divorced is ALWAYS an expression of hatred.


No it isn't.

 
Droid
709164.  Fri May 14, 2010 2:19 am Reply with quote

bobwilson wrote:

We know that Watson hated at least two women enough to divorce them.

I'm fairly sure that one of them died whilst married to Watson, rather than being divorced. It is mentioned in one of the stories, but I can't rememeber which one.

 

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