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1246638.  Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:23 am Reply with quote

I didn't really have that intention. All I meant to say there was that what HRH Sihanouk said there was by no means coded.

And, btw, his majesty sounds like an all round splendid kind of guy.



1246645.  Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:52 am Reply with quote

Sorry - I'm perhaps a tad touchy on the subject, with my late brother struggling with his gayness and no way would he contemplate going out in drag - he was 'just' gay and that was already problematic enough for him.

1246654.  Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:46 am Reply with quote


I didn't know that. :-( I see why you're touchy about it then, sorry. No offense intended, promise.

I hope your bother nevertheless found some proper love and happiness in his life.



1246655.  Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:47 am Reply with quote

Not the way he desperately wanted.

1246657.  Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:49 am Reply with quote

Shit... :-( Poor guy. He deserved better than what he got for sure.

1246668.  Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:06 am Reply with quote

Amen to that. :-/
1246748.  Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:46 am Reply with quote

suze wrote:
That is true, although in practice it's always the Emir of Abu Dhabi.

Another case worthy of a mention in passing is Cambodia. It's a monarchy, but there is no concept of heir to the throne. Cambodia is largely controlled by two families, the House of Norodom and the House of Sisowath. When the king dies the two families have a conference, and a new king is chosen by acclamation - or at least, that it how it is presented for public consumption.

Another similar example is Swaziland. They have no real concept of primogeniture. An independent traditional council called the Liqoqo decides which of the rulers wives shall be Great Wife and the son of this 'Great Wife' becomes the heir. The Great Wife is chosen after the death of the king and must be of good character and must not be either of the king's first two wives. In order to cement relationships with the competing interests in Swaziland a king must marry from all the competing clans in Swaziland, hence polygamy is encouraged.

In fact certain Islamic states such as Ottoman Turkey or Saudi Arabia today had/have no concept of primogeniture. Their heir is chosen from the brothers of the previous king to ensure no rebellion or direct challenge to the throne from the king's sons.

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1246822.  Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:17 am Reply with quote

While we're on Swaziland, all of their royals are illegitimate by the Western understanding, since the King can't marry anyone until he has impregnated her.

The first two wives are ineligible to become the Indovukazi or "Great She-Elephant" because the King doesn't choose his first two concubines. Rather, they are presented to him when he comes of age. Thereafter, he chooses concubines from a parade of women who parade bare-breasted before him.

1246828.  Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:20 am Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Thereafter, he chooses concubines from a parade of women who parade bare-breasted before him.

To which Channel4 bought the TV rights, and called it "Naked Dating"!!
1248436.  Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:44 am Reply with quote

Sticking with the subject of Andorra here's something quite interesting I found out about it.

When lyricist Malvina Reynolds discovered, via the New York Times, that Andorra's military budget was just 300 pesetas ($4.90) and used entirely for blank ammunition for ceremonial purposes she was inspired to write a song, part of which goes:

I want to go to Andorra, Andorra, Andorra
I want to go to Andorra. It's a place that I adore
It's the land that I adore
They spend four dollars and ninety cents
On armaments and their defence
Did you ever see such confidence?
Andorra hip hooray

Pete Seeger was so impressed that he not only scored and performed it but also dedicated the two final stanzas to Robert McNamara, urging him to follow in Andorra's footsteps.

1248682.  Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:19 pm Reply with quote

I love that!

1248704.  Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:41 am Reply with quote

I remember reading somewhere, that the supposedly tiny defence budget of Andorra was a misquotation, and the figure was actually per head of population. Still tiny, but running into hundreds of thousands, about $400,000 according to Wiki's population figures.

1248799.  Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:39 pm Reply with quote

Discussion on Snopes about it seems to think it's true.
1349964.  Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:14 am Reply with quote

Andorra also has no national bank and has never had its own currency.

1362621.  Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:00 pm Reply with quote

When I was in my twenties, I flew to Girona with a friend and we walked to Andorra from Girona Airport, camping at the side of the road. We got the bus back.


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