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R-P-Taylor
400212.  Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:55 pm Reply with quote

There is also another micronation in London, England. It's called Atlantica and is really new. It has it's own constitution, leader, and is in the process of setting everything else up.

 
CB27
400425.  Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:07 am Reply with quote

Maybe we should have QI land, with different QI zones?

 
nitwit02
400540.  Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:03 am Reply with quote

Anyone heard any more about the Sealand movie?

I was once one of Roy's pirates - so I'm interested.

 
Hanii Puppy
424470.  Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:14 pm Reply with quote

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bobwilson
424560.  Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:22 pm Reply with quote

Christiana - would that count as a micronation?

 
joefoxon1
504227.  Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:57 pm Reply with quote

I have created Stigistan, a micronation dedicated to Top Gear.

 
austinallegro
504385.  Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:59 am Reply with quote

Most micronations claim sovereignity under the 1933 Montevideo Convention, which states as Article 1:
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The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

 
duglasbell@hotmail.co.uk
1340167.  Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:45 am Reply with quote

Pursuing this thread further:

In 1978 a rival claimant to the Sealand nation tried to muscle his way on to the fort. A fight broke out and he was taken prisoner. He was German and the German embassy had to send a diplomat to secure his release.

In 1987 the UK extended its territorial envelope from 3 to 12 miles thus removing any claims Sealand might have to legitimacy. Nevertheless it does have its own national football team. Once, this lost 8-0 to Occitania, which comprises people who speak Occitan, an ancient language from Southern France. In 2003 British mountaineer Kenton Cool placed a Sealand flag on the top of Mount Everest.

Additionally, in 1964, Leicester Hemingway, brother of Ernest, founded the micronation of New Atlantis on a barge off the coast of Jamaica. This even issued its own stamps, two of whom celebrated Lyndon Johnson and Hubert Humphrey, the US Democratic Party candidates in that year's presidential election. Sadly, New Atlantis was rendered unusable in a tropical storm in 1966.

 
crissdee
1340201.  Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:09 pm Reply with quote

duglasbell@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
In 1987 the UK extended its territorial envelope from 3 to 12 miles thus removing any claims Sealand might have to legitimacy.


So if we extended our "territorial envelope" by two hundred and fifty miles, we could settle the whole "Ireland" problem by sayiing it's all ours anyway?

Surely it can't be as simple as that.

 
Dix
1340205.  Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:27 pm Reply with quote

Since someone else has revived this thread, I might as well answer another one:

bobwilson wrote:
Christiana - would that count as a micronation?

No. They do not claim sovereignty.
It's more a communal living arrangement than a country. Some parts are more communal than others, though.

The people living in the area pay the normal Danish income tax. Those that are self-employed (workshops etc) are paying VAT if they are registered as separate companies, or, if small, they share a common VAT account.

https://www.christiania.org

 
suze
1340215.  Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:39 pm Reply with quote

crissdee wrote:
So if we extended our "territorial envelope" by two hundred and fifty miles, we could settle the whole "Ireland" problem by sayiing it's all ours anyway?

Surely it can't be as simple as that.


It's not.

Now of course, any country can declare its territorial envelope to be any size that it damn well pleases. But if (for instance) the UK did declare that its territorial envelope now included Ireland, then you could expect the processes of a dispute between nations, potentially ultimately leading to war, to be brought into operation.

In fact, when the UK and other nations which more-or-less play by the rules declare the size of their claimed envelope, there is a footnote. That footnote says "or half the distance, if there is another country nearer than that".

So for instance, the boundary between Britain's envelope and France's envelope has been fairly precisely measured in the English Channel, whereas Ireland takes a more relaxed approach to the precise limits of its envelope in the North Atlantic.

See also post 1262543 for why the government's proposal to increase the UK's envelope substantially when we leave the EU might come back and bite us on the arse.

 
crissdee
1340222.  Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:02 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
In fact, when the UK and other nations which more-or-less play by the rules declare the size of their claimed envelope, there is a footnote. That footnote says "or half the distance, if there is another country nearer than that".


And that did/does not apply to Sealand exactly why?

Not just being awkward*, genuinely trying to get a handle on this.


*Well, maybe just a little.

 
suze
1340224.  Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:48 pm Reply with quote

Because the UK does not accept the existence of Sealand as a sovereign state. Sealand could have protested the apparent annexation and waged war on the UK, but - and probably wisely - it chose not to.

On one level, your house is an independent nation if you say that it is. But on another level, you will have some difficulty getting the international community to take The Heavily Armed Kingdom of Crissdee seriously if all that happens is that Powys Council writes to you and says "Sorry, King Crissdee, but you still have to pay us council tax and we'd rather you didn't declare war on Welshpool".

 
crissdee
1340235.  Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:49 am Reply with quote

Damn! there goes my plan for the weekend!!!

 
suze
1340255.  Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:10 pm Reply with quote

Well, you can try it if you really want to!

Just be warned that the Heddlu might not be completely convinced about your claim to be a head of state with full diplomatic status when they come to take you away.

 

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