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943550.  Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:26 pm Reply with quote

Ever wonder why there's a K2 but no K1?

K2 is in the Karakoram mountain range, which runs between Pakistan, India and China. Thomas George Montgomerie was the first person to survey the mountain range on the behalf of the Great Trigonometric Society. From Mount Haramuk he observed the range, labeling the two most prominent peaks that he saw K1 and K2. It was later discovered that K1 was locally referred to as Masherbrum, and the name was changed. However, peak K2 appeared not to have any local name, and so the original designation stuck. (wiki)

Several other names were proposed, but to date the only moniker besides K2 that seems to have stuck is "Savage Mountain," a reference to how dangerous the mountain is to climbers. Wouldn't that make a great title for a movie?

943551.  Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:27 pm Reply with quote

(Sorry my writing style is so didactic. I'm not trying to place myself above anyone. I think that's just how I like to talk about facts I get excited about).

943555.  Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:46 pm Reply with quote

The Karakoram Mountains also contain the Karakoram Highway, which runs thought the Khunjerab Pass (so many Ks!). This highway has the somewhat odd superlative of being the the highest highway in the world. Or more precisely, the highest paved international road. For this reason, and because of the tremendous difficulty that went into building it, it's sometimes considered the ninth wonder of the world.

943558.  Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:55 pm Reply with quote

Kipling talks about the Karakorum mountains in Kim.

943560.  Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:50 pm Reply with quote

"As of early 2009, 305 climbers have reached K2's summit, while at least 76 have died." That's basically 1 out of every 4 climbs that ends in death.

Not listed among the dead is "the wickedest man in the world," Aleister Crowley. Crowley and Oscar Eckenstein lead the first expedition to reach the summit of K2. Though they never reached the top, it wasn't for lack of trying. They spent 68 days on the mountain, setting a record for the longest time spent at that altitude. (wiki) During the climb, Crowley was afflicted with influenza, malaria and snow blindness during the expedition, (wiki). He later described in his diaries how the cold air made his skin so brittle that it would peel off when he tried to wash it with water (source).

943561.  Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:02 am Reply with quote

By the way, the next mountain that Mr. Crowley attempted to climb was Kangchenjunga, which was thought to be the tallest mountain in the world until 1852 (we now know that it's the third tallest). This expedition was more tragic than Crowley's first. Several other members of the expedition felt Crowley was being reckless, and mutinied. Despite a warning from Crowley they headed back down the mountain as the sun was setting. They died a short while later in an accident. (wiki).

Crowley was apparently pretty cold-hearted about it.

Last edited by Webster100 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:11 am; edited 1 time in total

943562.  Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:11 am Reply with quote

QI: Out of respect for local belief, which consider the peak of the mountain sacred, most climbers who have reached the top of Kangchenjunga stop a few feet before the actual summit (source).

943563.  Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:22 am Reply with quote

Q: What is the deadliest mountain in the world to climb?

K: Everest, K2

A: Annapurna

Everest has a fatality rate of roughly one in ten climbers (source). Annapurna, on the other hand, has a fatality-to-summit ratio of 38%. Kangchenjunga has a higher fatality rate than both of these if you only count statistics going back to 1900.


943641.  Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:46 am Reply with quote

Mount Kenya is the second hightest mountain in Africa (after Kilimanjaro), and is the namesake of the Republic of Kenya.

943645.  Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:14 am Reply with quote

There is a theory that the name "Hindu Kush" means "killer (or slayer) of the Hindus". "Hindu", here means "someone who lives in the Indian subcontinent" rather than someone who is a member of that religion.

The name Hindu Kush is, from a historical point of view, quite young. It is missing from the accounts of the early Arab geographers and occurs for the first time in Ebn Baṭṭuṭa (ca. 1330; tr., p. 53; Le Strange, Lands, p. 350). Ẓahir-al-Din Bāborís list of the Hindu Kush passes indicates that the name was restricted to the high mountain range north of Kabul, meaning the west Hindu Kush, over which important trade routes ran from India or Kabul to Qaṭaḡan or Turān (Bābor-nāma, foll. 130a-31a, 272b. tr. Beveridge, pp. 204-5, 485). Ebn Baṭṭuṭa sees the origin of the name Hindu Kush (Hindu-killer) in the fact that numerous Hindu slaves fell victim to the dangers of the unknown world of the high mountain range while crossing the pass on their way from India to Turkestan. Later the name spread to the east; in the 19th century it was used for the whole range up to the Baroghil Pass (Yule, p. LXII).

However, there are other theories that the name "kush" derives from the Persian Koh or Kuh, meaning "mountain" or that it from an Avestan word meaning "water mountains". Avestan is an old Iranian language which was used in the texts of Zoroastrianism.

944138.  Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:13 am Reply with quote

Yohani Kinyala Lauwo was one of the African guides on the first recorded expedition to reach the summit of Kilimanjaro. Not only did he survive the experience and outlive both of the Europeans involved, he actually lived to the age of 124 or 125.

(At least, according to this)

944179.  Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:41 am Reply with quote

Webster100 wrote:
Ever wonder why there's a K2 but no K1?

K1 burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp.

944265.  Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:18 am Reply with quote

Webster100 wrote:
Wouldn't that make a great title for a movie?

K2 is an action film, which although entertaining, has some considerable inaccuracies in the mountaineering it depicts, particularly in the depiction of human physiology in the so-called "death zone", above 8,000m/26,000feet.

944642.  Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:10 pm Reply with quote

I bet a movie called Savage Mountain would depict human physiology perfectly.


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