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Series H, Episode 14: Hocus Pocus

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Ian Dunn
767810.  Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:12 am Reply with quote

Because it is Christmas, two previews for the price of one.

Preview 1

Preview 2

 
eggshaped
768482.  Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:49 pm Reply with quote

This show is an absolute corker - my personal favourite from last year.

 
Jenny
768546.  Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:13 pm Reply with quote

Great fun, but the rule isn't i before e except after c - it's i before e except after c when the sound is e, and it only applies to English words, and it doesn't apply to words with an -ing ending like being and seeing. I think that would get rid of a large number of your 923 exceptions wouldn't it?

 
suze
768569.  Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:36 pm Reply with quote

Jenny wrote:
i before e except after c when the sound is e


The "rule" stated that way certainly does make more sense, but there are still a fair number of exceptions. And more to the point, the "rule" isn't usually taught with that caveat.

I have to declare an interest here, since the fact of there being 21 times as many words which break the "rule" as obey it came from me. (Using a Scrabble word list, and with technical help from my stepdaughter and from Davini994, who used to be a regular on these forums.)

And what we found was 923 words which have <cie>, 2,606 words which have <ei> after something other than <c>, and just 167 words which really do have <cei>. (Of which only six are really in everyday use.)

 
dr.bob
768652.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:37 am Reply with quote

Jenny wrote:
Great fun, but the rule isn't i before e except after c - it's i before e except after c when the sound is e, and it only applies to English words, and it doesn't apply to words with an -ing ending like being and seeing. I think that would get rid of a large number of your 923 exceptions wouldn't it?


Quick google search -

"i before e except after c" : About 230,000 results

"i before e except after c when the sound is e, and it only applies to English words, and it doesn't apply to words with an -ing ending" : No results found

Besides, your version doesn't exactly trip lightly off the tongue :)

 
themoog
768655.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:55 am Reply with quote

Well I was taught i before e except after c as long as it's making an e sound.

 
dr.bob
768662.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:16 am Reply with quote

Did you have Jenny as a teacher, by any chance? :)

 
Flash
768668.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:29 am Reply with quote

Can I just say "ceiling"?

 
djgordy
768706.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:31 am Reply with quote

I wonder if the producers of Q.I. realise that Daniel Ratcliffe is just an actor and not a real wizard?

 
samivel
768707.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:33 am Reply with quote

I didn't even know he was a real actor.

 
soup
768732.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:37 am Reply with quote

samivel wrote:
I didn't even know he was a real actor.


Yup, been in a play an' everythin'.

 
Bondee
768780.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:42 pm Reply with quote

djgordy wrote:
I wonder if the producers of Q.I. realise that Daniel Ratcliffe is just an actor and not a real wizard?


Radcliffe
</pedant>

 
MinervaMoon
768788.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:56 pm Reply with quote

I was taught "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like ey, as in 'neighbo(u)r' or in 'weigh'."

Which still has so many exceptions, but . . . it also rhymes.

 
Jenny
768844.  Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:28 pm Reply with quote

I saw Daniel Radcliffe in the revival of Equus in London a year or two back. In fact I saw rather more of Daniel Radcliffe than anybody who's seen only the Harry Potter movies.

I always taught 'i before e except after c when the sound is e' and pointed out that there were a lot of exceptions but it held for most of the words that people doing GCSE English were likely to use. Like ceiling.

 
Gluben
768873.  Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:40 am Reply with quote

MinervaMoon wrote:
I was taught "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like ey, as in 'neighbo(u)r' or in 'weigh'."


Yes.

Like "ceiling".


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