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gerontius grumpus
43176.  Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:18 pm Reply with quote

Ryde Pierhead, if the Isle of Wight counts as England.

 
samivel
43185.  Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:47 am Reply with quote

Why wouldn't it?

 
AndyE
43314.  Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:56 pm Reply with quote

Yes, the Isle of Wight counts as England. But isn't Ryde Pier open to cars (at least cars going for the ferry to Portsmouth)? If so, then Ryde Pier Head would not be a correct answer, but I'm entirely prepared to be told I'm wrong on that one.

In any event, it's not the station I had in mind (which is on the mainland). So there may be more answers than I thought!

Now, to my gazetteer thingy. I didn't like to plug my own book, but since the moderator has told me to, here goes ...

It's called "Ultimate British Public Transport Gazetteer" and provides details of how to get to anywhere, whether by train, bus, tram or ferry (i.e. not only the places not served by rail).

If you go to my website at http://www.geocities.com/marmaladepublications/gaz.html

you will be able to see the first part of the work, including all places with a population of 20,000 or more. It also tells you how to get hold of a free PDF copy of the second version, which includes all places down to 10,000. Work is in progress on going down to 5,000, at which point it will cease to be free (sorry, but we have to make some money somehow!)

The way that we have defined population is based on the way the census does it. On that basis, the largest town without a railway station is Dudley. If you disqualify Dudley as being part of a conurbation, and Newcastle under Lyme for the same reason, then the answer is Gosport.

If you then allege that Gosport is a suburb of Portsmouth (they are linked by ferry) and that Waterlooville is a suburb of Portsmouth and/or Havant, and also disqualify Kingswood, Newtownabbey, Halesowen, Castlereagh, Washington and Dunstable (all of which are justifiable disqualifications), then the answer is Livingston.

There are stations called Livingston North and Livingston South, but both are 2 miles out of town, so I wouldn't really say that Livingston had a station. But only by disqualifying it do we get to Corby.

 
grizzly
43335.  Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:43 pm Reply with quote

How did you come upon this hobby/interest/business venture?

 
Flash
43346.  Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:01 pm Reply with quote

We can only admire this kind of dedication, grizzly; it's not something that one should question.

Someone I was at school with used to memorise railway timetables as a hobby. Towards the end of term he'd go about asking people where they were off to and advising them which trains to catch, from memory, wherever they lived.

 
AndyE
43380.  Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:27 pm Reply with quote

Well yes, maybe should I get out more!

But if you look at the quality (lack of) of some of the information from "official sources", you'll see why it had to be done...

Anyway, this sort of thing makes me money, so I won't knock it!

 
gerontius grumpus
43382.  Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:29 pm Reply with quote

AndyE wrote:
Yes, the Isle of Wight counts as England. But isn't Ryde Pier open to cars (at least cars going for the ferry to Portsmouth)? If so, then Ryde Pier Head would not be a correct answer, but I'm entirely prepared to be told I'm wrong on that one.



The car ferry doesn't go from Ryde Pierhead. At least it didn't when I was in Portsmouth.

 
grizzly
43410.  Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:52 pm Reply with quote

Flash wrote:
We can only admire this kind of dedication, grizzly; it's not something that one should question.

Someone I was at school with used to memorise railway timetables as a hobby. Towards the end of term he'd go about asking people where they were off to and advising them which trains to catch, from memory, wherever they lived.


Please, believe me that my question is genuine. I was quite a spotter in my youth (although not by the true definition of the word, I prefer to photograph than collect numbers). It is a rather specialised topic to make such documentation as this, so I was interested as to why it came about with such a passion?

 
samivel
43413.  Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:22 pm Reply with quote

You can drive from Ryde to the station at the Esplanade, so it seems to be out of the running. I don't know many people who would consider Gosport to be a suburb of Portsmouth, even if they are linked by ferry across Portsmouth Harbour. You could claim Waterlooville is a Havant suburb, but again, I don't think it's really a part of Portsmouth.

There's a Railway Arms pub in Gosport, so there must have been a station at some point

 
AndyE
43474.  Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:32 am Reply with quote

First of all, a correction. As any fule kno, no-one drives up Ryde Pier to get the ferry for Portsmouth, because the ferry from Ryde Pier Head is for foot passengers and bicycles only. The car ferry from Portsmouth goes to Fishbourne.

But a Google search has revealed the existence of a taxi rank at Ryde Pier Head station. Ergo, it must be possible to drive up Ryde Pier and so it has to be disallowed as an answer to the "station with no road access" question.

Now to Mr Grizzly. Well yes I suppose it is a rather specialised interest. I wrote bus timetables for a salaried job at one point (about 20 years ago), and the interest seems to have stayed with me. It must be because I travel on them and get fed up when it's impossible to work out when and where to do so. Anyway, these days I'm a freelance writer and mini publisher, and I started that particular project when I had nothing better to do one day.

And so back to the thorny subject of towns without stations. I've dug out my notes about censuses and read the rules again.

We must disqualify Dudley as being part of the "Greater Birmingham" conurbation. Newcastle under Lyme is more emotive. There is no "countryside" between it and Stoke on Trent, but people there would get upset if you alleged that their town was part of Stoke (I asked my aunt, who lives in Burslem). E'en so, under the rules Stoke and Newcastle are one place. Disqualified.

I agree with Samivel that Gosport is not generally thought of a suburb of Portsmouth. Under current census rules, two places are separate if there is 50 metres of non-built-up-area between them. This makes Gosport a separate place and therefore it is the answer to the "largest town with no station" question.

Although when I studied demography twenty years ago, the rule was 400 yards. Under that rule, the entire area from Havant to Titchfield, extending to Waterlooville, Portsmouth and via Bridgemary to Gosport constititutes one "place".

So to summarise - under the current 50 metre rule, the largest place with no station is Gosport, and the largest place never to have had a station is Waterlooville.

Under the 400 yard rule, the largest place with no station is Washington. It's not very far from Sunderland, Chester le Street and Gateshead, but it manages the 400 yards on all sides. The largest place never to have had a station under this rule is Canvey Island.

Corby isn't the answer under any conceivable set of rules. Is it an urban myth? Specially since Corby does in fact have a station. (That is to say, there are tracks and platforms and until it got vandalised there was a bus shelter type structure for waiting in.) What Corby lacks is a train service ...

 
grizzly
43688.  Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:39 pm Reply with quote

wowww, now that is QI

BTW are we still guessing the station with no road access?

Also, it is interesting about the 50m rule. Seeing as our town has just had a hospital built on the narrow strip of land between my town of Newbury and the town of Thatcham (about half the size of Newbury) that Thatcham has become a conurbation of Newbury and that our town has increased in population by something in the order of 50%. I'll need to get out a tape measure and check though.

 
gerontius grumpus
43705.  Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:34 pm Reply with quote

I think you'll find the taxi rank for Ryde Pirerhead station is at the foot of the pier and not at the pierhead.

Is there anyone from Ryde out there who can confirm this?

 
samivel
43720.  Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:20 pm Reply with quote

I'm not from Ryde but there is definitely a taxi rank at the Pier Head, meaning you can drive to the station, although its primary use is for the catamaran passengers.

 
gerontius grumpus
43725.  Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:46 pm Reply with quote

My mistake, I haven't been there since 1980.

 
Jenny
43747.  Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:59 pm Reply with quote

Andy - my husband is one of the people who would undoubtedly want to buy your book when it becomes available - in the meantime I'll point him at your website. Thanks for the link :-)

 

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