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Black Pete - what do you think?
Racist?
22%
 22%  [ 2 ]
Good?
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
Bad?
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Ugly?
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Sneezy?
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Happy?
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
Dopey!
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
None of the above...
44%
 44%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 9

14-11-2014
1104137.  Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:02 pm Reply with quote

This year's tv series final story introduced a black Sinterklaas. The retired Grandpa pete, Sinterklaas' secret special helper, who was introduced in episode one to coach new trainees without a dirty face.



The story is probably too complicated for young children. Grandpa pete was hiding, so Sinterklaas wouldn't see hem, because then he would be returned to Spain. But now it was explained that he was hiding to fool Head pete, who would return Grandpa pete to Spain. A reason to introduce this black Sinterklaas, once, had nothing to do with black petes. They told that we shouldn't get rid of retired people that soon.

 
extremophilesheep
1104170.  Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:30 pm Reply with quote

On another forum, I once spoke to an American woman who was convinced that when people here get to a certain age, we kill them off as we have euthanasia laws.
"Happy retirement dad, now roll up your sleeve, you won't feel a thing..."

The whole over the top stress of sinterklaas is ridiculous. Lies on top of lies on top of big soap series of lies, causing stress for the children but oh it's such a gezellige tradition.

 
cornixt
1104178.  Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:17 pm Reply with quote

extremophilesheep wrote:
On another forum, I once spoke to an American woman who was convinced that when people here get to a certain age, we kill them off as we have euthanasia laws.
"Happy retirement dad, now roll up your sleeve, you won't feel a thing..."

That's absurd. Doesn't she know that they have to stand before a death panel to prove their worth to society first?

 
extremophilesheep
1104183.  Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:59 pm Reply with quote

It is absurd. I gave her the "happy retirement..."line and her next response was that her thought had been rather silly indeed. I then explained her that simply because it's possible doesn't mean it's available on supermarketshelves.

 
14-11-2014
1104238.  Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:59 am Reply with quote



The final shot of the tv series, recorder earlier. A black and a white horse. And Grandpa pete, still covered in soot (i.e. no blackfacing), as a black hulpsinterklaas. The traditional horse of Sinterklaas is the white one, called Slechtweervandaag in Flanders or Amerigo in the Netherlands.

It's not the first black Sint Nicolaas in history, albeit it's unusual to see the one and only Sinterklaas and a hulpsinterklaas at the same time. The hulpsinterklaas can be used by parents to explain differences, like a Sinterklaas wearing a pair of glasses.

 
14-11-2014
1104254.  Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:37 am Reply with quote

Grandpa pete, introduced this year to introduce different types of petes, was one of the leading petes who isn't a well-known comedian. He's a Dutch actor, born during WWII in Germany. If you want your petes to be black, due to the traditional soot, then it may have been his second Bridge Too Far (his role was Captain 'Harry' Bestebreurtje).

The host of the daily Sinterklaasjournaal, Dieuwertje Blok, yesterday told that she's one of the many people receiving death threats. Of course she received hers, probably written by a typical angry white man, before the first episode was broadcasted.

To finish this: Peter 'Opa piet' Faber played his first role in a film called Makkers, staakt uw wild geraas, a rather clear statement made by the subject's mayor of Amsterdam, and mentioned earlier here.

 
bemahan
1104346.  Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:58 pm Reply with quote

My s-i-l, who has Dutch grandchildren and has just bought a Playmobil Black Pete playset. Yet again I am gobsmacked.
http://www.playmobil.nl/on/demandware.store/Sites-NL-Site/nl_NL/Product-Show?pid=5206&emcs0=46&emcs1=Produktdetailseite&emcs2=4893&emcs3=5206

 
extremophilesheep
1104507.  Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:27 am Reply with quote

I still think that, for those who want to maintain the tradition, it's possible to update it and perhaps stop overdoing it. Death threats are never a way to solve things, that's just plain bad manners and usually done by people who do this on all subjects without little interest in the actual subject.

 
14-11-2014
1124727.  Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:49 pm Reply with quote



brussels.be (translated by translation software) wrote:
The association Noirauds was created in 1876 to save a day-nursery of Brussels at the edge of bankruptcy. In this period, the exploration and the discovery of the countries of Africa speak to the imagination of people. The disguise as an 'African notable' was ideal to assure the anonymity of the collectors, often good middle-class people and regular customers of the restaurants where they tried to collect money.

 
14-11-2014
1126016.  Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:01 am Reply with quote

It's a wonderful world.

 
14-11-2014
1126017.  Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:14 am Reply with quote

Podcast, featuring Quincy Gario.

 
14-11-2014
1145860.  Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:23 pm Reply with quote

ibtimes.co.uk, edited wrote:
The Dutch government has promised the United Nations it will substitute the controversial Zwarte Piet (Black Peter) figure with a more acceptable character, delegates have confirmed after a UN committee meeting.The UN argued the Netherlands has breached the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination.

Delegation leader Afke van Rijn said during the committee that Dutch deputy prime minister Lodewijk Asscher is taking steps to discuss adjustments to Zwarte Piet. She added: "Prohibiting Black Peter from government is not a solution."

Delegates from countries such as South Africa, Ireland, Colombia, Turkey and the US voiced their concerns on the Black Peter symbol and the casual attitude of the Dutch towards the allegedly racist icon.

Stop and search selectivity and anti-Semitism in the Netherlands were also discussed, but the steps away from Black Peter are the most revolutionary result of the committee.

Black Peter, a blacked-up figure representing a blackamoor, is based on the slaves held by Saint Nicholas, a catholic Bishop to whom the 5 December Sinterklaas celebrations are dedicated.

Over recent years, voices against the Black Peter symbols have become increasingly louder and demonstrations during the 5 December celebrations in Amsterdam escalated in 2014 when one protester was arrested.

Deliberate moves away from Black Peter have been made by Dutch media and individual counties in the Netherlands. However, many Dutch people see the celebration as an inherent part of their culture and deny the figure carries racist connotations.

Black Peter defendants argued that the blackface represents coal and grime from the chimneys through which adults tell children Black Peters descend to put presents in their shoes. After these comments some organisations who hold 5 December celebrations made those playing Black Peters wear lighter face paint and removed the notorious red lips, which are often depicted in old, racist pictures.

 
bobwilson
1145862.  Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:05 pm Reply with quote

Austerity? What austerity? When people have enough leisure time to be exercised by this kind of question it's a sure sign that their society is healthy enough.

 
14-11-2014
1146996.  Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:19 am Reply with quote

So do I.

UN wrote:
Cultural traditions and racial discrimination

17. While the Committee understands that the tradition of Sinterklaas and Black Pete is enjoyed by many persons in Dutch society, the Committee notes with concern that the
character of Black Pete is sometimes portrayed in a manner that reflects negative stereotypes of people of African descent and is experienced by many people of African descent as a vestige of slavery, which is injurious to the dignity and self-esteem of children and adults of African descent. The Committee is concerned about the discriminatory effect
of such portrayals, which may convey a conception at odds with the Convention. The Committee is furthermore concerned at reports that citizens seeking to peacefully protest against such portrayals have been denied authorization to conduct such protests at a meaningful time and place and have been subjected to violent attacks and other forms of intimidation, which have not been
adequately investigated. (arts. 2, 5 and 7).

18. Considering that even a deeply-rooted cultural tradition does not justify discriminatory practices and stereotypes, the Committee recommends that the State party actively promote the elimination of those features of the character of Black Pete which reflect negative stereotypes and are experienced by many people of African descent as a vestige of slavery. The Committee recommends that the State party find a reasonable balance, such as a different portrayal of Black Pete and ensure respect of human dignity and human rights of all inhabitants of the State party. The Committee further recommends that the State party ensure non-discrimination in the enjoyment of freedom of expression and association, and that attacks on protesters be effectively investigated and duly prosecuted.

 
14-11-2014
1149933.  Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:29 am Reply with quote

In Madrid a traditional fake Black Pete will now be replaced by a real black Pedro.



La Cabagata de los Reyes Magos:
Wikipedia wrote:
The Cavalcade of Magi is a traditional parade of kings coaches, practically in all Spanish cities and also in some cities and towns in Mexico. The Magi (of which tradition holds there were three: Melchior, Gaspar, and Baltasar) ride through the streets, as their page boys throw candies to children.

It is celebrated every January 5 (the day preceding the feast of Epiphany) in the evening. When the night comes the children must go to bed early after cleaning their shoes and the following morning they have the gifts of the Magi that they have requested before in a letter. According to this tradition, the children who have behaved badly during the last year receive coal rather than candy, though (as in the case of Santa Claus) this is not a frequent occurrence. They might get coal candy, though.

 

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